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Old 08-16-2015, 05:04 PM   #15
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Sounds like a rear radiator is the real issue here?

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Old 08-16-2015, 05:12 PM   #16
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Rebuild of two cyl on an ISX after 2,600 miles = $33,000, we paid something over $22,000.
4 925 CCA batteries $290
Now on to the front heat pump, 4 8D AGM's at about $500 each, 8 new tires, get the gen and autogen start fixed, new headlight, windshield wipers through the smartwheel won't work.
No it never ends does it?!!!
But I still wouldn't trade it for any other high priced hobby!

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Old 08-16-2015, 05:19 PM   #17
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which includes over $900 for labor!

Back in May... $2300 to replace an exhaust manifold!

Two years ago, $3300 to replace the fan clutch!

Three different repair shops.

All of this on a 5year old Damon Astoria with 60 000 miles on it.

I feel like I've got a "sucker" sign written on my forehead.

I'm also wondering if the shops are trying to communicate that they hate working on an engine thru the bedroom floor!

Are these repair bills way higher than I think they should be?

I'm wondering if we should have gotten a 36-40 foot Class C instead of this DP??
I am not sure what the labor rate is per hour, but if you just say $100 per hour, then it would of taken 9 hours to change out an alternator, boy I am not familiar with Diesels, but I call B.S. on that.

Cant really comment on the other replacements
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Old 08-16-2015, 05:29 PM   #18
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Paid basically the same for alternator replacement, $125 / hour labor . Included a complete check on entire chassis electrical system. I am on Connecticut where everything is expensive.
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Old 08-16-2015, 06:20 PM   #19
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Didn't your extended warranty cover the cost?
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Old 08-16-2015, 06:34 PM   #20
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I replaced the alternator on my 2007 Crosscountry 2 years ago, bought new from Freightliner approx. $400. It is a rear radiator which was not that bad to work on.
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Old 08-16-2015, 06:58 PM   #21
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Sounds like a rear radiator is the real issue here?
Don't think so. I've had plenty of mechanical experience, but no heavy duty like these. I'm an old man, no longer able to single hand the weight of a 160 amp Leese Neville at arms length. On top of that, had to deal with corroded bolts trying to seize inside the alum alternator housing. Despite that, my R&R might have taken 4 hours on the outside. Somebody half my age should have been able to do it in less than 3 hrs. No not fun, but 9 hours is a complete rip off - even if they had 2 guys on it the entire time and shampooed the carpet from the doorway to the engine bay when they were done. .

Oh, and the alternator rebuild done at a local shop (I couldn't get it apart), complete with new bearings, voltage regulator, sand blasting, and refinishing was less than 135. complete. A new one would have been twice that.
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Old 08-16-2015, 09:20 PM   #22
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That's why I bought an extended warranty!

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Old 08-16-2015, 10:31 PM   #23
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Here's the basic reason why it is so difficult to get almost any shop to work on a MH be it either gas or diesel.

That said there are some shops around the country that do specialize in the MH market but they few and far between. Then there are the diesel chassis shops like Freightliner, Cummings engines etc. They are almost obligated to work on the diesel MH's because of warranty and extended warranties.

Here's the reason why you can't find a shop. One of my students took over his Dad's tractor trailer repair shop and here's two things he told me. If I can't lift up the hood and walk into the engine compartment I'm not working on it. That also means that his techs don't have to worry about getting anything dirty it's already dirty. They don't have to worry about scratches to the paint either.

Second reason. When a semi TT is down for what ever reason the company who owns it is loosing hundreds of dollars every day it is in the shop. They don't like to take extra time to diagnose issues. Most companies just tell them to get it fixed ASAP and don't care what it costs. Then that extra cost is placed onto the consumer because that's why those companies are making $$$$$$$. They are delivering stuff to us and for us.

It's all about the bottom line. Those shops and a number of the techs could care less about you and your fancy MH just tooling around the US on a continuous year round vacation. That's the reality of the situation.

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Old 08-17-2015, 09:44 AM   #24
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What I don't get is why the hourly labor rate is higher for motorhomes. I can see how it takes more time to do something because of access issues. So, a 1 hour job on a truck @$100 becomes a 2 hour job for $250 on a motorhome.
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Old 08-17-2015, 11:58 AM   #25
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They really don't need a reason to charge more. So they just do. Going back to what I said earlier. If the companies who own trucks don't care how much then they charge more because nobody is complaining.

If something is unique or unusual they charge more. If service centers are in short supply they charge more. If they are worried about scratching your rig or getting grease or oil on it they charge more.

I'm old enough to remember two things about diesels and truckers. Years ago when the diesel prices would go up the INDEPENDENT truckers would drive on DC and the prices would go back down. Since most Independent truckers have gone by the wayside and most every trucker is employed by a larger company they just pass it on to the consumer.

Second thing I've learned is this. Gasoline costs about 60 cents a gallon to make and diesel costs about 10 cents a gallon to make. Why did diesel flip flop several years ago and cost more than gasoline?? Same reason. They don't care because they can pass the increase on to us. We all know that today's truckers are not getting rich. They have jobs, work hard and survive.

It's all about GREED GREED GREED and nothing else.

After all consider this. Entry level jobs were never, never intended to provide one with funds to buy a new car, get married, then buy a home, have a family and put all the kids through a $200,000 college education then have a good retirement as well. But guess what???? Somebody is trying to convince them that it is. So hence the $15 dollar minimum wage issue.

The truth of the matter is our work force needs are changing rapidly. If the workers don't prepare they can get smarter or get the heck out of the way.

Even using an idiot stick (hand shovel) may require a laser level of some sort and a trained worker who knows how to use it.

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Old 08-17-2015, 12:13 PM   #26
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two years ago I had my alternator rebuilt as my chassis batteries were draining and I could not find the reason...till one day I had engine door open and just leaned on the alternator..it was very warm..ha it had to be the reason the batteries were draining..so I took it out only took 30 minutes. brought it to the local starter and alternator shop and they said bad diodes. and recommended a rebuild with better components. time to put it in was again about 30 minutes...works great...an I think cost of rebuild was about s$200 if I remember correct. I did post it when I did it...simple things like this I always do myself. as even thou shops have an hourly rate they will charge book prices instead of actual time...I use our local bus shop for my maintenance ect...they charge actual time and work with you. I posted while back about my service and they were pressure flushing coolant and lots of crud came out and said stop leak was used...the radiator had bad spots that could be fixed so radiator shop had a radiator with right capacity and in and outlets...was $1100 and labor was $1050.. way constant temps now. And very nice work...they run the local school bus lines and have lots of charter diesels for casino and vacation runs..so they have experience...same time I had rear diff drained and refilled and all filters and lubes for gen set and engine and chassis lube and air brake dryers and all checked for bad or in need of maintenance total with radiator was close to $3400..i thought not to bad.. jeff
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Old 08-17-2015, 02:06 PM   #27
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seeing you guy spent the arms and legs for repairs i feel the pain. in emergency situations yes you have to do it at whatever costs as you have no choice, but if you could schedule for non emergency repairs, i would recommend getting those done in eugene oregon on your next trip to west coast. a few reputable shops there still charge $100/h labor. they are specialized in mh repairs they don't need to poke around just get the problems nailed and fixed. i recently got a few things done there i was very happy.
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What I don't get is why the hourly labor rate is higher for motorhomes. I can see how it takes more time to do something because of access issues. So, a 1 hour job on a truck @$100 becomes a 2 hour job for $250 on a motorhome.
...told to me by a Freightliner Service Manager when I asked. They get trucks in and fix them and a smudge of grease left on the floor mat isn't mentioned. Drop a 3/4" socket and dent a fender? Who cares?

They did work on a brand new high end MH and (allegedly) tracked some grease onto the carpet. Long story short, shampoo didn't work well enough, and the MH's owner insisted on it going back to the factory for new carpet. $25,000 for a shoe print. He was looking eye to eye at me while he said it, so I doubt he was kidding with me.

I can't blame them, after hearing that story.

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