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Old 05-27-2015, 09:49 AM   #15
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LOL,

Sorry, but have to do this.

10 year old DP?

Like so

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Having owned both a decent gas coach and two DP's (one entry level and one more of a luxury coach) I would say it depends on what your needs/wants are.
Totally agree.

If just for occasional weekend trips, probably not worth the extra cost. If you're going to live in it, things like insulation, quality of windows/insulation, weight carrying capacity, storage space, etc... matter a great deal.
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I just went through this last month and went with the gasser (DW was all about the floor plan), my stipulations were on maintenance and chassis. I knew if it was a gas rig I wanted the 2006 or newer chassis for the bigger engine and 5 speed trans, and if it was a diesel I wanted a Cummins ISC with Allison and air ride. I have no regrets, we got what worked for our best for our family (three kids and us) and within our budget. Sounds like both rigs are nice, get the one with the best maintenance history. GLWS
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Old 05-27-2015, 11:38 AM   #18
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Here is the half million dollar Question (which should produce some interesting responses):

For $50,000 one can buy a very nice 2005 low mileage gas 35-40' motorhome that would have cost $130,000 new. Or for $30,000 more, one can buy a 5 yr older equally low mileage DP motorhome that cost over $400,000 new.

If today, one goes with the older high end coach, is he or she getting $30,000 more coach, or is he getting $300,000 more coach? How do you personally feel about it? The newer $50k coach would certainly be enjoyable and satisfy one completely. Plus one would have an extra $30k in case of emergency or some sudden financial disaster.

The $80k high end coach is obviously the lap of luxury, yet a bit of a splurge in that one really doesn't need that much coach to enjoy traveling and living in. The extra $30k would limit ones resources a bit, cutting their remaining savings in half. Either way, the owner would be living mainly on his monthly social security check which would come close to covering his monthly expenses if he budgets wisely, since he will have no other costs except the cost of insurance, traveling, and living in the RV. An occasional ballgame, tourist attraction, and a meal out most days should still be doable.

What are your thoughts? Is the extra $30k for the high end coach worth it? Might it be so much more reliable that one could conceivably make up that $30k as years go by? Or is it the opposite, the high end coach would cost a lot more to keep on the road?
So you can buy a 5 year old $400,000 DP for $80,000 now that's depreciation. I'd say go for that what a deal.
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So you can buy a 5 year old $400,000 DP for $80,000 now that's depreciation. I'd say go for that what a deal.
The English language is an interesting animal as there are so many different 'understandings' (proven to me every day by the number of people than interpret those big red signs that say "STOP" differently than I do). But, I understood the OP's comment to be "five years older than the 2005 gas model." So, a fifteen year old DP for $80k - I could be wrong. If correct, that doesn't sound too far off.
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IMHO, it has a lot to do with the traveling you do. Short trips and local type camping the gasser would work.
We do a lot of cross country driving and at the end of the day I have more energy from riding in the DP than I would in a gasser. Being on the road for a few hours vs being on the road for several days makes a difference comfort wise.

All that said, it is likely the fun we all have camping is pretty much the same and the comfort of getting there in a pusher or a gasser or a trailer matters little
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look at travel supreme

ts is one of the best dp you can find on the market
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Went with a high end Newmar DP last year and took out a policy with Cornerstone warranty. They sell policies on third party deals that do not go thru dealers. I nine months I already have my money back and a coach in like new condition.
Would also suggest having an inspection done by someone like RV Inspection connection. Then you know exactly what you are getting.
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I'd buy the gasser in a heartbeat. 5 years older is a big hit. High end luxury means more stuff to break or wear out meaning more money to fix it. The gasser should still pull a reasonable towed at reasonable speeds so buy it and drive it all over the country!
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Please tell me where I can by a 5 year old-$400,000 DP for $80,000. They may be out their but I bet they are few and far between.
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The English language is an interesting animal as there are so many different 'understandings' (proven to me every day by the number of people than interpret those big red signs that say "STOP" differently than I do). But, I understood the OP's comment to be "five years older than the 2005 gas model." So, a fifteen year old DP for $80k - I could be wrong. If correct, that doesn't sound too far off.
That would be roughly consistent with the NADA valuation for our 15 yr old Beaver Patriot Thunder which was in the mid-300's when new.
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So you can buy a 5 year old $400,000 DP for $80,000 now that's depreciation. I'd say go for that what a deal.
I would too!
But in reality you probably won't do that well!
I've seen '09 Magnas with a sticker price of right at $750,000 and sell for a little over $300,000.
Deals are out there, but you do have to look and be ready to spend some time and $$ to fix/upgrade them.
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I purchased a new Class C in 1997 and we used for ~11 years and then bought a 6 year old DP. Price difference was similar to what you discuss.

I believe it will depend on your needs, most gas coaches may not have the amenities that you would want if you were full timing and/or the carrying capacity.

Comparison wise it will cost a lot more to maintain a diesel DP so the budget will dictate what you can afford. 2 years ago I had to replace the transmission ECM ~$3500, Last year I spent ~$2500 on the coach, no catastrophic major failure, but did have EMS fail ~$450 to repair. Monday on our way home we had a "bad" coolant leak at radiator. If I have to replace radiator it will be ~$4000.

At this rate, if the trend holds, I will seriously have to consider another RV option.
That is exactly why I bought an extended service contract with our MH.
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"Chicken or Egg?" Gassers and Diesel owners will debate this for ever--neither wants to admit to the other the pros and cons. Travel needs, comfort and durability are everything to the RV experience. Yes-- I am a DP owner and am totally bias but unless you are a pretty handy DIY kind of guy, either type of coach can be expensive to operate and maintain. If you are going on mostly short trips and only expect to keep it a few years, go for a gasser. Longer trips, longer travel horizon, DPs will be more "comfortable" for the long haul and last longer if you need them to--these are facts! Whatever you do: one, drive both types; second, do your home work on what you need, not what you want; and third, try to find one where the previous owner at least had the motivation to keep a maintenance record.
PS--the world is full of great deals and lemons for both gassers and DPs. In either case, you wont have any fun trying to make "lemonade" out of a bad deal.
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