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Old 11-19-2013, 12:33 AM   #1
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66000 miles vs 22000 miles 2004 350 Cummins

Considering purchasing a 2004 Itasca Horizon 40AD 350 Cummins with 66000 miles. Any thoughts on pros and cons vs one with 22000 miles and one with 66000 miles? Also i was told by dealer that service records are not availale due to privacy laws. Can anyone recc what tests/inspections i should have done on engine,,,transmission Or chassis to aid on whether to make an offer on the rig or not? With proper service .... How many miles total do these engines totally last? 350000 or more? Assuming proper maintenance and use. Any recc on where to have insp...tests done in Phoenix,,,Mesa, Az area? Appreciate any input!
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Privacy laws only affect health related items. Your dealer is lying AFAIC. Took the privacy law course and test some years ago.
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Old 11-19-2013, 01:59 AM   #3
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Need the service records. Tell dealer else no sale. Next he will tell you he does not have them. Then ask hom why he told you they could not be shared (implying he had them).
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If they are both in like shape, I would take the one with 22 K over 66 K every time. But if one is a lot nicer, that's the one I would get regardless of miles. There is something fishy going on with your dealer. I think I would walk away.
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My answer would be to WALK. He's lying to you already, what's the next issue he won't discuss with you? There are plenty of coaches out there for sale. JMHO
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The dealer has those people's medical records confused tith the Coachs service records, if he said that to you I would turn around and walk off his lot never to return. The man is a moron!
There is a ton of Coach's out there for sale,move on, take your time and you will find the one that suits you folks to a tee!
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66K would be my preference.
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Old 11-19-2013, 05:31 AM   #8
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My late Father-in-law used to tell me that the miles in the odometer are not as important as the miles left on the vehicle. Thus, I would agree, no records, no sale!
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I agree with the others in that he is trying bluff you into believing that privacy laws prevent him from giving them. I do know that dealers cannot release the name and address of the previous owner without his permission. Maybe the records have that information on them but that is easy to fix. Make copies with that information covered up. Otherwise be very blunt with the sales person and tell them they are full of crap and you get the records or you go look at the hundreds of other DP on the market. I saw a very nice DP in Florida a couple weeks ago. They are plentiful.
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I bought my Newmar Dutchstar from Camping World and the prior owner had every service record beginning w the build sheet in 2002. Your guy is a lying SOS.
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Considering purchasing a 2004 Itasca Horizon 40AD 350 Cummins with 66000 miles. Any thoughts on pros and cons vs one with 22000 miles and one with 66000 miles? Also i was told by dealer that service records are not availale due to privacy laws. Can anyone recc what tests/inspections i should have done on engine,,,transmission Or chassis to aid on whether to make an offer on the rig or not? With proper service .... How many miles total do these engines totally last? 350000 or more? Assuming proper maintenance and use. Any recc on where to have insp...tests done in Phoenix,,,Mesa, Az area? Appreciate any input!
Walk,run,drive,fly just DO NOT buy from this dealer!!! BUT NOT BEFORE telling him he's a lier. As to mileage .. Engine and trans would be no issue with those miles. The coach would show mileage long before the drive train.
As many have said there are plenty of coaches AND honest dealers to buy from! Good luck in your search!!
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Service Records

I hear lots of comments on service records. I have owned, serviced, bought, sold, and been around these types of chassis for a long time in the trucking business. 66,000 miles is nothing on a diesel engine, that is designed to go a million miles or more. If it had synthetic oil, that is one oil change at most. If it used regular oil, that is maybe 3 or 4 oil changes. What could possibly happen to an engine in such a very short time span? I knew of a national trucking company that traded trucks every three years, and they did about 250-300,000 on those trucks, and they didn't even change the oil in them, just drove them and washed them.

Forget the service records, pull an oil sample, have it analyzed, and that will tell you more than any service record. The other thing you will spend money on is all the equipment for the coach, heaters, air conditioners, refrigerators, pumps, slides, water heaters, tires, etc. All of those things, you can check yourself, just turn them on to see if they work.

If you are really worried about the engine and transmission, take it to a place that works on diesels, have them hook it up to their computer, and the complete history of that engine and transmission is stored. They can tell you how many hours it has run, how many hours it has idled, if it every got hot, if it was over speed, any error codes (they can be reset, but not erased), anything you ever wanted to know. That is how we buy trucks, we never ask for service records.
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Thank you Mike to many try to make this a difficult choice when as you say check the computer at the shop and worry more about the issues that happen sooner.
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I would be curious about where the dealer got the unit. It could be that he just doesn't have the records to give you unless the PO left them in a drawer. Try to find out if he took it on trade or bought it a an auction. An inspection is good if you have no history but even that won't tell all. I've seen lower mileage units that were well worn. Older units with low mileage have sat for a bit which might not be the best.
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