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Old 11-26-2015, 01:06 PM   #15
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When we started looking to go to a DP back in 1998 or so we belonged to a club that had 12 MH's, one Prevost conversion, one Foretravel (my parents), six Newmars and the rest, including our's were SOB's.
Simply got tired of repairing the cabinets on our gas Type A so we got the upgraded interior in our 2000 DSDP 3865. After two years we wanted more slides and the Spartan chassis and some custom work like removing two walls and two pocket doors. Some $38,000 in specials and options in 2002 $$'s. There was no other manufacturer out there that was in our price range that would make those kind of changes.
Traded that '02 off after 13 years and really wish we had kept it or gotten another Newmar!
It's not that the Magna isn't a fantastic rig, it's just that the costs are higher than we expected.
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Old 11-26-2015, 05:48 PM   #16
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Thanks everyone for your input ! Is this a great site or what?

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Old 11-26-2015, 06:12 PM   #17
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You get what pay for, we got our Canyon Star with pretty much every option you have listed and more. We love our Canyon Star and we find the fit and finish to be much better than the Winnebago overall. We also have the brite tek roof which is very easy to clean and is warrantied for 12 years. Our final decision came down to the Newmar Canyon Star over the rest due to the better overall quality build and we haven't been disappointed. We only paid a few thousand more than the Winnebago and every manufacturer has options, you just have to decide which ones are important to you. When you spend that amount of money to start $20,000 in upgrades isn't much compared to the base cost. Just look at what's added into regular vehicles today.
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Old 11-26-2015, 07:04 PM   #18
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I would also compare construction, insulation, etc.
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Old 11-26-2015, 11:37 PM   #19
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I looked at a multitude of coaches when shopping for used. Dutch Star was one of my favorites, they felt better constructed. We were unable to make a deal on one at the time but ended up with our Allegro Bus, which is also a decent coach. The Winnebago and Itasca units were good, serviceable rigs but seemed a bit more spartan. Overall, any one of them would have been just fine.

Initially I was opposed to a rubber roof, that was until I discovered a number of higher end coaches with fiberglass roofs and water damage. This was most likely due to owner neglect, however, if the roof were rubber, at least a person could tear it off and get to the bad spots and repair them. I was learning as I looked, being unfamiliar with virtually any type of RV. For me, seeing what I have seen, the roof type would not be a concern. Of more concern would be how the wiring, hardware, walls, etc are put together.
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Well, one good thing is that there are rigs out there to fit every need/want/budget even if they weren't what you thought you wanted to begin with.
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As we search for that perfect motorhome for us we determined we will be ordering a Newmar canyon star 3712 next summer. Love the floor plan. It was between that or the 2016 Winnebago sightseer 33c.
I downloaded the order form for the Newmar and found the cabinet stiles and rails are vinyl wrapped, the Winnebago is wood vineer I could get the Newmar with the wood vineer but at the extra cost of$2,476 ! The Newmar has single pain Windows didn't see an up grade on the list, the Winnebago comes withdouble pain Windows.i like the Mcd type shades standard in the Winnebago if I want them in the Newmar it's $ 1,674 other wise it comes with the pleated day nite shades. The Winnebago comes with a walk on fiberglass roof it's $ 1,758 extra on the Newmar.That's $5,908 extra just to get what the Winnebago already has! Kinda feels like a bate and switch, if we didn't like the Newmar floor plan so much I think we would go with the Winnebago .
Maybe I'm just being anal but vinyl wrapped cabinets......really??? You know like the book cases at biglots , that really surprised me. If you get a scratch on the vinyl there's nothing you can do with it, wood vineer you can at least sand it and refinish .
Sorry about the rant but sometimes do you really get what ya pay for?

A little miffed, Steve W.

I don't know if it applies to the gassers but with DP's in my price range (Meridian/Journey vs. Ventana), the Newmar is definitely a step up in craftsmanship compared to the Winnebago IMHO.

We had a 2010 Winnebago DP, nice coach - no complaints. We now own a 2015 Ventana. Fit and finish in general is much better with the Newmar. In the end the Newmar cost more but is a nicer product.



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Thanks for your input! And thanks for the info on the Windows too.
Yeah if we could afford it we would go for the Dutch star pusher !
You can afford the Dutch Star. Just buy it used and get the exact equipment/trim you want for 1/2 the price of new.
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I am currently following another thread where it seems the 2016 DS may have some issues with the capacity of the front axle.

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I really hope Newmar does the right thing, I really believe they will as the history seems to support they do the right thing generally speaking.
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The Canyon Star is the larger coach and may be on a heavier GVWR chassis.
You may want to compare the cargo capacity on each coach as that can be an issue on gas coaches and may be part of the cost difference. Only you can decide if the trim and cabinet construction and fit and finish is worth extra cost to you. I think shopping for the coach is a big part of the fun, so take your time and enjoy the process. Good luck and happy travels.
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You really cannot be disappointed with Newmar if you think of them as a business that is in a very competitive market.

More bling, accessories and features cause creep. Eventually the 'creep' overcomes the capacity. At that point most businesses that look to the bottom line will try to take the path of least resistance. They will provide the minimum fix that satisfies the minimum solution. They WILL NOT go to the most expensive solution unless there is absolutely no other alternative.

Their bottom line is to stay in business and provide a good return to the shareholders. This is also beneficial to the purchasers as having a company go out of business is not a good scenario for warranty and parts.

Newmar has a fan club that may have set expectations too high for a quick and total solution to the issue. I expect there will be a practical solution but it will take time as the engineers try to determine the least cost to the problem.
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Newmar has a reputation of higher quality than Winnie but...maybe they recently got a new CEO?
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Newmar has a reputation of higher quality than Winnie but...maybe they recently got a new CEO?
Makes you wonder about the reputation. They are at different price points but seem to share a number of third party systems. Maybe they use better wood or construction materials but . . . . Must be the military grade aluminum - pardon wrong product.

We looked at numerous manufacturers including Tiffin, Newmar, Fleetwood, etc. There were differences between them but for us it was floor plan.

We have been very happy with our Winnie and especially happy with our dealer.
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