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Old 06-04-2016, 12:13 AM   #127
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Where in the keys are beaches you can take your RV?

It's not really DP vs gas, it's just a matter of length. If a 32ft gas coach can fit somewhere so can a 32ft DP. If the owner decides to buy a 45ft coach, the owner is to blame for buying to large of a coach for the places they want to go, not the type of fuel or where the engine is.

According to your theory since I wasn't able to fit into a few camping areas we wanted to stay at in my class A gas and my now X inlaws could fit there in their class C, according to your theory class C is better?
I have no theory. Read what the expert LVRVLUVR wrote on the first posts: The air bags on most motorhome is the cheapest suspension system. It is bad when the road is not perfect and the travel of the wheel is not very long. This is technical.

If you want to be emotional you will continue to say that I said it is the diesel liquid that makes the suspension bad. This is 3rd grade strategy. You put words in my mouth and then you blame me for those words. How come you react like this? Are you trying to convince yourself you took good decisions with a DP?
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Old 06-04-2016, 12:28 AM   #128
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Attention DP owners,

I see that many of you are trying to derail the technical discussions.

In the title the OP wanted the discussion to be about truth and facts. NOT EMOTIONS AND JUSTIFICATIONS.

Nobody should put his head in the ground. In the coming months, thousands will buy an expensive DP with false informations. Once they will realize by themself what the expert LVRVLUVR has explained here, many of them will sell their DP and loose a lot of money in 2 or 3 years.

Don't you think we should let them know about the PROs ans CONs?

I propose we continue talking about the very technical details. I think in two years on IRV2 I never saw a thread where we could really talk about the truth about DP. It is always the big lies all around and emotionals posts. We should let those lies for the RV sellers. It is their job to sell expensive products to customers. As members of the forum we should help each others so that newbies don't make the same mistakes we did.

Ok, to be honess, can you tell us what your DP sellman said when you realised the suspension was not good on the test drive? Did he tell you like he said to LVRVLUVR that it would be like a Cadillac once it would be loaded?

Did you try to get a refund?

Is this the reason why so many sell their DP loosing 50% in a few years?

We need your rational input.
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Old 06-04-2016, 12:50 AM   #129
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I have had the pleasure of driving and repairing old tractor trucks with leaf spring suspensions and they will rattle your teeth. My friend just purchased a 1ton ford pickup with leaf springs and I couldn't even talk without my voice breaking because of the rough ride even on smooth roads. Adding air bags fixed a lot of that problem, go figure! Maybe you didn't read my qualification but I have been in the automotive and truck business for 40 years, I think that gives me he right to make certain assumptions..... What's your experience? If you want to take yours off road then by all means do so. Many people with DP's don't go off road. The start of the article simply stated that in LVRLVR's opinion air suspensions are not as good as leaf springs and I disagree with that as is my right on this forum. You can believe whatever you like, you can purchase whatever you like but don't insult me. And yes in my opinion, because that's what we get to write about here, is that it blows the doors off of leaf springs. I don't intend to drive on the beach or take my motor home out in the boonies. I like the comfort of my S Series chassis without its 10 airbags and 525hp engine. And please, don't read me nor insult me anymore with your rapier wit. I am done with you! What a shame I can't really tell you what I think!
I am 100% sure that unconsciously you are not angry about me but about yourself. I am simply discussing. How can you be so upset. I have nothing against you. I have respect for you and I am really sorry that you take this discussion like this. It is not important. We are learning with this thread.

I have met recently a man that told me his wife asked for divorce because of him putting so much money on a DP. For sure this guy was trying to convince me he had taken the right decisions. He was so upset, his world was breaking apart. I am not saying this is your situation, but we all have stress that make us over react.

Last year I met a couple. They had a 150k mortgage on a DP that had a net value of 55k with 1500$ monthly payments for many more years. They were considering bankrupcy, bringing the keys to the banks, etc, etc. But each time someone was going on their campsite they would explain how good the suspensions was. Two weeks later they spent 4500$ on 6 tires on this motorhome that they had not used for two years. I am sure this couple would not be glad to hear that the SUSPENSION expert LVRLVR consider their suspension to be the cheapest we can put on a vehicule.
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There are a few things that spring type suspensions can not do that air bags do very well. If you have weighed your MH you will realize it does not balance out the weight per wheel. When you load your MH, most people do not consciously balance the loading of the MH. Second, only severe anti sway bars will help with the roll effect- these are not smooth sailing when on mildly undulating roads. Air bags can an do in most instances help the action of milder acting anti-sway bars. Severe braking action with springs will net you fairly severe front dive- this changes steering geometry. Air bags will tend to keep a more even keel in this same situation. Lastly, if spring suspension were the panacea of heavy vehicles all the over the road truckers had better get there butt back to the shop to have their air bags exchanged for an antique set of springs.
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Forum such as this are great depositories of information and discussions but should never be utilized as a primary information source. If a participant posts an interesting topic of discussion a reader should question the information and opinions posted and must be diligent seeking out multiple independent resources for verification.

Accepting a statement from a self proclaim expert who's references, background and accolades a reader has no capability to verify is a bit foolish. Believing the same to the point of calling for the gathering of pitch forks and lighting of torches is what happened at Jonestown in 1978.

Maybe not the best analogy but gets to the point.
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First mistake is believing that the OP is an expert.
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Haven't y'all figured out that this lvrvlvr and the Canadian guy are the same person? All he want is a rise out of everyone and play you like a cheap fiddle for his own entertainment. I've noticed his other post are not to gain knowledge but to start arguments and get high hits on his threads. I will no longer read or respond to any of his posts. Thank you.


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If what you're saying is true lvrvlvr has sure spent a lot of effort on trolling. Between dashboard squeaks, tire and suspension posts on his Excursion last year (basically the same coach I had) and transmission posts on his current Ford gasser I think he's put a lot of good info out here for examination. He's posted tons of photos and videos about towing and other RV issues. Maybe you dislike his blunt style or bravado, that's fine. Don't read his posts, no one is forcing you to. But to imply he does not contribute in a positive way to the forum is simply not accurate in my opinion.

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If anyone considers this (opinion) technical, they deserve to believe any incorrectly drawn conclusions:

"I have no theory. Read what the expert LVRVLUVR wrote on the first posts: The air bags on most motorhome is the cheapest suspension system. It is bad when the road is not perfect and the travel of the wheel is not very long. This is technical."

I'm done too. The logic behind so many of the "expert opinions" is way beyond my comprehension.....

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It is safe to assume that the suspension designs have changed over the years and one critical point is all are built to market.

Our old gillig is a 4 bag "school buss" chassis built in ca for ca schools where the safety regulations are considerably stiffer than others and there is what seems to be an abundance of travel.

It rides fine on ca roads...

Spring chassis can ride well if we'll designed but again they are designed to market meaning you may almost get what you pay for and not a penny more.

So what to do...

Everyone has that piece of road that is nasty, for us it is merced county roads for others it may be some back road but we all have "local legends" of bad roads so take any unit being considered on those roads so you can observe the performance and determine with your budget what works for you.

Others have warned that they got a surprise later so due diligence first.

Bottom line is they all are just a very large brick on wheels and mostly designed as an on road vehicle with limited room for wheel travel anyway so with constraints of basic physics further limited by budget it is NOT an argument of type rather of what model unit that I wish to buy will meet my needs.

Personally we like our air ride...plenty of wheel travel and we are not thinking of off reading in it...that is what the jeep is for...
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Forum such as this are great depositories of information and discussions but should never be utilized as a primary information source. If a participant posts an interesting topic of discussion a reader should question the information and opinions posted and must be diligent seeking out multiple independent resources for verification.

Accepting a statement from a self proclaim expert who's references, background and accolades a reader has no capability to verify is a bit foolish. Believing the same to the point of calling for the gathering of pitch forks and lighting of torches is what happened at Jonestown in 1978.

Maybe not the best analogy but gets to the point.
I am sorry to tell you that you are totally wrong.

I have learned much more here on IRV2 than anywhere else.

I went at two transmission specialists. One had a old technology OBD2 scanner. He gave me wrong informations. The second one did not diagnose my transmission correctly at all. It is on IRV2 that I have found the solutions.

The same applied to many many other repair projects I have. After a few posts and thread it is easy which experts we can rely on.

The OP has proven on many threads that he is a very good one.
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Haven't y'all figured out that this lvrvlvr and the Canadian guy are the same person? All he want is a rise out of everyone and play you like a cheap fiddle for his own entertainment. I've noticed his other post are not to gain knowledge but to start arguments and get high hits on his threads. I will no longer read or respond to any of his posts. Thank you.


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There are a few things that spring type suspensions can not do that air bags do very well. If you have weighed your MH you will realize it does not balance out the weight per wheel. When you load your MH, most people do not consciously balance the loading of the MH. Second, only severe anti sway bars will help with the roll effect- these are not smooth sailing when on mildly undulating roads. Air bags can an do in most instances help the action of milder acting anti-sway bars. Severe braking action with springs will net you fairly severe front dive- this changes steering geometry. Air bags will tend to keep a more even keel in this same situation. Lastly, if spring suspension were the panacea of heavy vehicles all the over the road truckers had better get there butt back to the shop to have their air bags exchanged for an antique set of springs.
Nobody said spring suspension were the panacea. It had its advantage and disavantage. for the raod truckers I would not put spring suspensions since a air bag suspension is better on nice highways and is cheaper.

The same apply for an expensive pickup truck, you will put spring suspension to be able to go on differents roads than the one the big truckers are using.

You are having a false discussion with yourself. I never claimed any of the things you are saying.
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