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Old 06-04-2016, 11:24 AM   #141
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First mistake is believing that the OP is an expert.
In the next few months or years you will do a search on google about your mufflers, sumo, suspension, etc and it will return one of the OP post. You will save money but will not claim it. I am taking good advice from those experts here on IRV2.
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I know enough on my own to make the decisions that affect me. Do i read so that i can make an informed decision ? Yes. But i also know enough about the motorhomes and there components to not believe half a word the OP has posted. Ya see i too have owned Class a spring suspension and air suspension, and i have also worked servicing, revalving and setting up suspension. For what these rv's are intended for the air bag still outrides the springs. You go ahead and believe what you want and I will as well. Kinda what makes living in a free country a beautiful thing. I mostly come here for entertainment and it serves me well. Oh yeah, i forgot that its on the internet so it must be true
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Geeeesh, where are the cops when you need them. This thread needs to be arrested...
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Old 06-04-2016, 02:51 PM   #144
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I know enough on my own to make the decisions that affect me. Do i read so that i can make an informed decision ? Yes. But i also know enough about the motorhomes and there components to not believe half a word the OP has posted. Ya see i too have owned Class a spring suspension and air suspension, and i have also worked servicing, revalving and setting up suspension. For what these rv's are intended for the air bag still outrides the springs. You go ahead and believe what you want and I will as well. Kinda what makes living in a free country a beautiful thing. I mostly come here for entertainment and it serves me well. Oh yeah, i forgot that its on the internet so it must be true
I have seen some DP today. They were so low and the wheel travel was so low they clearly can not go on many road outside of a highway. I agree with you that they will perform better on the highway but it is so important to get 30% improvement on the highway when you are so limited? Well the answer depends on your needs. If you simply park the motorhome twice a year in two big retirement communities for sure it is the best choice.

Also like the OP specialist said, they are not all the same. Some are much better than other.

We are in free countries so I expect people to let me express my opinion without all this agressivity.

I see this potential agressivity in the campgrounds I go. Many DP owners come to talk to me and as soon as they see something very good on our coach they feel the need to go thru the list of what is better on their DP in their opinion. They simply don't realize that so many do the same that I get the show every week. They are not agressive but I know I can not talk about my solar panels, my all over LED, brand new furnitures, brand new floor whitout loosing their friendship. They become agressive in the talking as soon as I talk about something that could be evaluate like "better".

I think this thread show to everybody the spychology of owning a DP for some people. I am sure we could find a psychological study that could explain this phenomenum.

I have owned very expensives toys in the past and I never felt the need to be agressive about it. I did not identify myself to the toy I was owning. Also my own value was not the consequence of my toy value. I know my value and the depreciation of my toy or the rational critic of my toy will not affect who I am. I think a high percentage of DP owners are not like this. This is what this thread is showing.
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Yeah,there's something psychological going on here for sure.
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Old 06-04-2016, 03:04 PM   #146
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Geeeesh, where are the cops when you need them. This thread needs to be arrested...
Thank you allegro36 for your support. I agree with you that some did not respect the OP in their "naming". The OP was not agressive and quite respectful and simply stated what he think is truth and facts.
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I doubt that any of us are really experts in this area, even though some may have more knowledge than others. But you've got to give LVRVLUVR a little credit and not bash on him so much. He has definitely taken the time to generate conversation in several of his threads which are backed up by his videos and research, as well as experience in his shop. This is his passion and hobby, so what, nobody is forcing anyone to read his posts/threads so if you object to his information just don't read it anymore.

The bottom line is all this info could be helping someone else make a decision on which way to go, and what is most important to them. And I really don't think anyone would base all their decisions on what they read here. If they have the kind of money you need to get into this hobby, I would bet they have the knowledge and savvy to go out and see for their own which they like better. At least this thread(and some others LVRVLUVR has started) helps them to know what to look for and what questions to ask. I have seen many people jumping right into a diesel pusher, they have never owned an RV, just because they "must" be better. Well they should be they cost on average $100,000 more(new)for the same Brand and Amenities of that of a Gas MH.

I don't think anyone really believes the Gas MH chassis is superior to a Diesel Chassis, but then again the newer Gas Chassis MH's are in no way inferior or the terrible ride that many exaggerate them to be. Many of those that do are comparing the diesels to Gas MH's that are at least 10 years old. Many improvements have been made over the years, as with any automotive product, and you get what you pay for both in ride and amenities. Ours performs so much better than many you hear about on this forum. I feel no need to justify my decision as we bought what we wanted, but I would expect the newer Diesel Pusher Chassis to drive even better.

There is no right or wrong way to go, only different, as they both do the same thing. They get you out into the great outdoors so you can enjoy camping with your family or whatever it is you do with it. For some it's price, others it's the convenience of being able to do all their own maintenance. I'm not saying I will never buy a diesel pusher, but for now I enjoy the ability of being able to do all my own maintenance and still have a quality MH, that has a great ride and gets us everywhere we want to go.

So don't be so quick to bag on LVRVLUVR, he enjoys what he does, puts out some good info , and things to think about, even though it might not all be pertinent to the way people use their MH's. If you don't like his stuff don't read it, or at least respond in a respectful way with your counterpoint, there's too many other things on this forum to participate in.
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Well, that was 20 min of my life I'll never get back !!!!!
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I have the RoadMaster chassis with 10 outward mounted air bags. These bags are mounted close to the wheels where springs can not be mounted and are smaller for quicker air adjustment. This gives greater stability similar to standing with your feet together then spreading your feet apart. The system is active when your on the road and adjust as needed to keep the coach level and stable in curves, springs can not. The system has a damping effect in that it doesn't react quickly but over 20 seconds or so. In that way it's not constantly adjusting to road conditions. I like the protections from the leaning of the coach, load weight adjustment and the reduced porpoising on heavy stops. The best part is the ability to level the coach with the bags on surfaces that you would not want your jacks on, sand, hot asphalt etc. and I have full control via a key pad to raise or lower front/rear or any corner with the Valid System.
Another advantage the Valid System and I assume most air bag systems on DP is the ability to raise or lower the coach at speeds below 15 MPH. Below 15 MPH ride height control is moved from the valves at the axles to the control pad at the driver's seat. This allows the coach to be lowered in camp sites to avoid tree limbs and adjust the height of the first step etc. When the coach moves above 15MPH control is transferred back to the valves. The Valid System is used on most Prevost chassis today.
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Well, that was 20 min of my life I'll never get back !!!!!
Oh well......nobody said you had to read it.
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Nobody warned me not to !!!!
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Nobody warned me not to !!!!
Come on you've been a member for 6 years and you need to be warned????
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LOL ....... It was a joke dude!

Just like the majority of this thread !!
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I took the time to read through the entire thread.

Some of the information was good, some not so.

I am a fan of LVR to the extent that he does start interesting threads. He can get people invested and responding. And in them are some information gems. Many come in the responses.

I think LVR is very knowledgeable although not an expert. He has an inquisitive mind and is not reluctant to try new things. I certainly would take my MH to him for repair or upgrading in some circumstances if I were on springs. Since I am on air not so much.

I suppose if one were mainly going off road with short jaunts between many of the points would have validity. However in my experience most folks travel much farther on smooth surface roads than off road in their pursuit of boon docking sites.

Why anyone would want 10 or 15" of travel in a MH is beyond my rationale. However regardless of the amount of travel my biggest belief is that the longer wheelbases will be more likely to high center getting to some of the "prime locations".
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