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Old 09-24-2014, 10:44 AM   #15
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Firstly, there's probably been a dozen or more threads on this very topic on IRV2 alone. Do a search for "all electric" and you should have an afternoon's worth of reading.

Few high end coach owners do a lot of dry camping, or boondocking, so I'm assuming you won't either. It's not just a matter of desire, but also one of practicality. Few are willing to take their new 40' plus long coaches down some rough gravel road to find solace. We clearly have some members more adventurous than others here, but they are in the minority.

We have attended rallies or visited relative where we might be as long as a week without hookups and have done just fine. If you are somewhere that limits generator run time you no doubt will have a programmable control that will not allow the gen set to start during those times. It can also monitor your thermostat settings and if A/C is called for it will start the generator, shutting it down again once the desired setting is reached (we once "camped" in a relatives front yard in 95 degree weather and the gen set only ran an accumulated 3 hours all night long). It will also monitor battery level and kick in when they need to be recharged - yes they will recharge off the generator.

As has already been suggested, most any manufacturer that sells an all electric will use at least 6 house batteries and more likely 8. The items that will not run off the batteries in our coach are the A/C, the cooktop and the washer/dryer. I inadvertently left the coach unplugged one time, before we were living in it full time, and three days later the fridge was still running.

What do I like about not having LP on board. An extra storage bin where the LP tank would normally reside. Not having to find a place to refill the LP that can accommodate a big motorhome. Last January was extra cold, even in central Florida. Those with LP furnaces were looking for a refill every 10 days to two weeks. Most of the time that requires pulling off the site. A bonus was when we were travelling up the east coast last year we didn't have to find routes around some of the tunnels that forbid vehicles with large LP tanks.

Aquahot was also mentioned above. Your all electric coach will come with the Aquahot boiler system, or it's equivalent, depending on the manufacturer you buy from. These are extremely efficient and will provide both interior heat and all of your hot water. I've calculated that even with last years extremely cold winter (again in central Florida, not back in Wisconsin) I could have sit on our site for six months with no concern about running low on fuel.

You do have to consider how you expect to use the coach and as others have touched upon, if you're going to spend a major portion of your time off the grid, LP would make sense. If maybe a couple of weeks a year (like us) the all electric, at least to me, seems like the best choice. Somewhere in between, it's dealer's choice.
We have basically the same coach as you. I had them put in a gas cooktop and oven, my wife actually uses the oven and since we have kids, I like the 3 burner gas top, plus I just like cooking with gas. The all electric had only two burners and a dishwasher, just didn't work for us, besides, paper plates just clog the dishwasher up! We still got the 8 gel batteries and two converters since we have the res. fridge. Our propane was filled up when we took delivery, and we still have about a 1/2 tank. Interesting how when (at least up in BC Canada) when you buy a new home, electric is standard and you have to pay more for a gas range?? In saying that, an RV is different, and if it was just the two of us, I may consider an all electric since it will probably be extra to plumb in gas. Right now we pull into Casino parking lots or even Wal-Mart for a night and do not turn the genny on at all, fry breakfast with gas and use the inverter for toast! On our 12', since we kept the all electric equipment and had them just change the dishwasher and cooktop for a gas oven there was no extra charge, although according to the dealer it cost a lot more to install the propane system due to all the extra labor.

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Old 09-24-2014, 12:23 PM   #16
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We have the capacity of battery power and solar panel replenishment to go to all electric if we wanted. I like the comment about having the redundancy of all three:

1) Electric - Portable heaters, counter top inductive burner, coffee pot, etc. And when on 50amp service, floor heating

2) Aqua/Hydro Hot - For both heating and water demands

3) Propane - Norcold 1200 with Amish Cooling Unit and extra fans, Heat Buddy, Stove top three burner, and emergency coffee pot ready to go, if electric were to not work for some reason

We may convert to the Samsung Residential next year, have not decided yet. This is not for any performance problems, or main concerns on Norcold fire (we feel the Amish Cooling Unit is pretty solid, and still retain a smoke detector and SS-30 extinguisher behind the fridge within the cabinet. Our change would be for the larger capacity that the Samsung provides.

Out stove top burner is the normal middle of the road quality unit. We're planning on replacing this with a higher quality unit with one burner having a higher BTU output. We do use our counter top inductive burner, especially for boiling water, and also when we have lots being cooked on that three burner stove top. We're getting better with the micro/convection combo, so will not replace this or add an oven. We do augment this with a counter top toaster.

We have found that with our current battery bank of 800AH of Lifelines, we can cook most meals without the the need of running the generator. This includes microwave convection usage of up to 30 mins. (Our rule of thumb, if we know the timer will be set for more the n 30 mins, we fire up the generator for cooking.) This is perhaps once a week, when out on extended travels.

We also like the redundancy of the Heat Buddy, and have added a stubbed out valved fitting under the fridge cabinet drawers, to hook the LP rubber hose into when we want to use this.

Outside, we added both the extended stay valve, so we can use external LP if desired, or top off via drive by LP truck too. And we added a stub out to feed the BBQ and or Amazing Campfire in A Can. We also carry a 10lb LP bottle in the storage bay along with several of the small 1lb green bottles. We do this as we sometimes load the toad and go to places to watch the sunset and look at the view for several hours at a time.

We're transitioning into what I've coined 'Permanent Part Time Full Timing', where we will go out for several months at a time, then come back to the 'vacation' home to check on family and be with friends. In preparing the coach for this new chapter, we made, and continue to do so, modifications that allows us to do more boondocking then we have in the past. I expect over the next few years, we'll transition to a 65% campground to 35% boondocking. We like to go to an area, and spend enough time to go absorb the area. Museums, monuments, Presidential Libraries, and area architecture. This is where the campgrounds come into play. But we also like the serenity that boondocking provides, and the Western states provide many years of adventures for this.

That was our personal choice on how to set things up. Each of us is different in our current planned usage of our rigs. And as time moves on, sometimes that usage does change! IMO, retaining LP capability - adds to the flexibility for today's usage - and probable changes to usage over the years!

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Definitely keep in mind that if you're boondocking or in a dry campground, running the generator at night WILL cause problems.
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When we order or buy a new rig I plan on going all electric. I'm not afraid of propane like so many are I just don't want the hassle of refilling the tank ever couple of years. We only stay without hookups going between parks or maybe a week in Quartzsite at the most.

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