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Old 12-04-2016, 07:56 AM   #15
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My coach has fuel & water both behind the rear axle, add the blue ox hitch and it's all around 1200 lbs. The added leverage rear axle weight may be around 1400 lbs., and take 500 lbs. off the front axle.
I'm no physicist, but I'm pretty sure that the net result of adding 1200 lbs. is ... 1200 lbs. If you put on that weight far enough behind the rear axle to effectively add 1400 lbs. to the rear axle weight, that could only take 200 lbs. off the front.
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Old 12-04-2016, 08:25 AM   #16
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We just bought a 2017 Newmar Baystar 3113. Love the coach! It looks like the GVWR is 22,000 lbs and the GCWR is 26,000 lbs. The App. UVW is 17,834 lbs and the App. NCC is 4,166 lbs. I am not sure what either of those are though.

I went and weighed the coach today, no passengers, 1/2 tank of fuel, full of propane and most of our supplies in the coach (other than clothes and some food). Here are my figures:

Weight - 19,350 lbs (did not get a 4 corner weight)

Fuel (1/2 tank) - 252 lbs
75 gallon fresh water - 625 lbs (if I decide to travel with a full tank for boondocking)
Jeep Wrangler TOAD - 4850 lbs (weighed this last week, full of fuel)
4 people (2 adults, 1 teen, 1 toddler) - Approx. 550 lbs
Clothes - 200 lbs estimate

TOTAL = 25,827 lbs

Is it me or is that cutting it really close to the GCWR? I know I could travel will much less Fresh Water and not have a full tank in the Wrangler, which would cut down on the travel weight alot so this is probably a max and overkill.

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While I have a Fleetwood my Chassis is the same basic chassis as yours Ford F-53 22K..... As long as you stay under your axle, GVWR, and GCWR, you are well within the safety factors of the coach. I do believe if you look at your weight placard on your coach (mine is right by the Drivers seat) you will see your rear axel is 15K not 14K. The one thing for you that is important is your TOAD weight, since you are close to your 5K limit, subtracting that from you GVWR only gives you 21K for chassis loading. That is going to be your limiting factor for you on loading your coach IMO. I don't see you will max out either axle. MY toad and Dolly combined are only 3300LBS so I can get my full 22K chassis capability, here are my weights fully loaded, full gas, 1/3 FW, Minor BW and GW tanks, Toad & Dolly, we were on a long trip so all other items (3 people, food, clothes, water, frig, everything!!! LOL ) was onboard at weigh.

Happy travels and enjoy your NewMar!!!!
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Curious if you have JK or JKU

Curb weight of JKU is 4100.

What else do you have besides the tires? Seems awfully heavy

I don't doubt you, I'm just curious. I'm considering a JKU for toad, but will likely leave it mostly stock (likely put a 1" leveling kit).

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Curious if you have JK or JKU

Curb weight of JKU is 4100.

What else do you have besides the tires? Seems awfully heavy

I don't doubt you, I'm just curious. I'm considering a JKU for toad, but will likely leave it mostly stock (likely put a 1" leveling kit).

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Its a JKU Sport. According to Google, the curb weight is 4,277 lbs. But I put 20" wheels and 35" tires on it, plus a 3.5" lift (although that doesn't add alot of weight). I also have a matching spare and it weights about 120lbs. The tires are Toyo MT's and are just a heavy tire.

Also have a Blue Ox base plate which added quite a bit of weight too.
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thanks for the update. the lbs add up fast thats for sure. I had no idea the bigger tires and rims added so much.

the Jeep site states 4100 for the JKU. After my last post it crossed my mind that a hard top likely adds some lbs to that number. Wondering if perhaps that is the difference in the two numbers
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We just bought a 2017 Newmar Baystar 3113. Love the coach! It looks like the GVWR is 22,000 lbs and the GCWR is 26,000 lbs. The App. UVW is 17,834 lbs and the App. NCC is 4,166 lbs. I am not sure what either of those are though.

those last two add up to your GVWR the unloaded VWR plus the carrying capacity = 22k the GVWR of your unit
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Old 12-06-2016, 04:08 PM   #21
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We just bought a 2017 Newmar Baystar 3113. Love the coach! It looks like the GVWR is 22,000 lbs and the GCWR is 26,000 lbs. The App. UVW is 17,834 lbs and the App. NCC is 4,166 lbs. I am not sure what either of those are though.
I think it is "unladen vehicle weight" UVW 17,834 lbs., and "net carrying capacity" NCC 4166 lbs., together totals GVWR of 22,000 lbs.
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We just bought a 2017 Newmar Baystar 3113. Love the coach! It looks like the GVWR is 22,000 lbs and the GCWR is 26,000 lbs. The App. UVW is 17,834 lbs and the App. NCC is 4,166 lbs. I am not sure what either of those are though.
One thing that is very important to understand is that if your toad is weighs more than 4,000 lbs then you must "derate" the motorhome's GVWR by the weight of the toad in excess of 4,000 lbs. This is necessary because the GCWR is only 4,000 more than the GVWR. Therefore, if the toad weighs more than that then the extra weight has to come out of the weight rating of the MH itself.
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