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Old 03-10-2016, 08:04 PM   #1
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Anyone with a Winnebago Vectra near Sacramento, Auburn, Reno?

I've been looking at older (2004-2007) Vectras and Horizons, but pictures and brochures only do so much. Really want to see a few in person. I'm looking at a 2005 36GD, but it's 1100 miles away in Colorado, so the logistics are difficult to say the least. It also has Linglon tires, so that's a concern. Anyway, just wondered. Would love to see one in person and some walking and talking with the owner(s).

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I've been looking at older (2004-2007) Vectras and Horizons, but pictures and brochures only do so much. Really want to see a few in person. I'm looking at a 2005 36GD, but it's 1100 miles away in Colorado, so the logistics are difficult to say the least. It also has Linglon tires, so that's a concern. Anyway, just wondered. Would love to see one in person and some walking and talking with the owner(s).

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Dubya, there is a 2005 Vectra for sale at Cordelia RV..it's not too far from Sacramento. It's near Fairfield.
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I have no idea how that one never came up in my searches, but thanks for locating that one. That's only about an hour +/- from us, so we'll check it out. Thanks again!
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One thing to be aware of in that vintage Vectra, Freightliner chose to put only one fuel filter in the system and its after the lift pump. Anything that has been or will be in the fuel tank will end up in the lift pump screen and shut you down. I had a Vectra and had to be towed due to the above. $2300. later it had a second filter added before the lift pump and replumbed.
Not saying you'll have that problem, but it's not nice if you do.
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I'm new to DPs and learning on the fly. I'm assuming this lift pump is inside the fuel tank, so dirty or old fuel will gum it up?
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I'm new to DPs and learning on the fly. I'm assuming this lift pump is inside the fuel tank, so dirty or old fuel will gum it up?
No the lift pump is mounted on the engine and pulls fuel from the tank. I could never understand why Freightliner or Winnebago didn't spent another $50 and install the extra filter. Actually, it wasn't only Winnebago that had the problem, so anything between about 2001 and around 2006 with a Freightliner chassis only has one filter unless someone added the second one.
Maybe some of the Rv manufacturers added the second filter, but I doubt it. I know for sure Winnebago and Tiffin did not.
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Last question (I Think!). I don't know how much pressure is in the fuel system, but I imagine it's not much more than 7 or 8. That being the case, wouldn't it be fairly simple to buy an inline filter, put date and mileage on it, and simply install it somewhere in the line between tank and motor?
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Last question (I Think!). I don't know how much pressure is in the fuel system, but I imagine it's not much more than 7 or 8. That being the case, wouldn't it be fairly simple to buy an inline filter, put date and mileage on it, and simply install it somewhere in the line between tank and motor?
That's what I wound up doing after towing the Mh. There is no pressure on the tank side of the lift pump, it's suction. The filter you install has to be a regular large primary filter, which meets Cummins specs. I don't remember what the part number was on mine, but I believe it was a 10 micron filter. If you buy the Winnebago and no one has added the second filter I would do it before it plugs the lift pump. Once the lift pump is starved for fuel Cummins recommends it be replaced also.
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Thanx Noel. I appreciate that tidbit of info.
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Not sure the fuel filter information is 100% correct. I have a 2005 Vectra and it has two filters, one being a water separator/filter and the second being a canister style fuel filter..
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Not sure the fuel filter information is 100% correct. I have a 2005 Vectra and it has two filters, one being a water separator/filter and the second being a canister style fuel filter..
Either they started putting the second one on in 05 or someone added it, because I know of several that had a problem including my 04 Vectra and they didn't have the second filter. I would assume that Freightliner woke up at some point, after they started getting complaints, and added the second filter.
The way Freightliner handled the filter deal caused me to swear off ever owning another Freightliner chassis.
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Well first off,

Let's clear the air on the single fuel pump thing on certain era Winne/Itasca Freightliner coaches. Winne and Itasca both, with the Freightliner chassis, in the "PRE-C-7" lineup, as in the 3126 engines, utilized TWO FUEL FILTERS. One, at the rear next to the radiator and the second one on the engine, up at the top, on the passengers side. But, in the year/era of mid '03 to late '03, there was a "dispute" between CAT and Freightliner about the need of two filters. This is all info from a member here that I spoke with personally that teaches Freightliner and CAT classes.

And, of course, CAT was demanding two filters as normal and, Freightliner, for monetary reasons, was stipulating only a single filter is needed. I sure as heck wouldn't know why, they didn't make the motor, CAT did. But, in any case, Freightliner won the toss-up and, for a short while, we see only a single fuel filter on many Freightliner chassis equipped coaches.

Now, as for the progression of the CAT/Freightliner fuel system in those coaches. There's been many "assumptions" that just because Cummins installs a lift or, pusher pump IN THE TANK of many coaches, that CAT equipped Freightliner chassis also does this practice too. Well, not so. In many, many Freightliner coaches with CAT engines, there is NO PUMP in the TANK.

The single and only fuel pump is basically attached to what's called the HEUI pump that's bolted to the engine. That's Hydraulic Electric Unit Injector pump. Now, information about the single filter being BEHIND or AFTER the lift pump is a bit off.

In this case scenario, you have a tank, with no pump in it. Then you have a long fuel line that leaves the tank and, travels all the way back to the back of the coach where, it enters the filter base, of the SINGLE AND ONLY FUEL FILTER system. From there, it leaves the other side of the filter base and, goes INTO THE LIFT PUMP, that's as stated, attached to the HEUI pump.

So, ANY FUEL, that enters that lift pump, HAS BEEN FILTERED, by A MANDATORY TWO MICRON filter at the rear of the coach. And that folks, is how the system works. I and, quite a few others on here have proved how it works by making a criminally serious mistake of installing a DRY fuel filter and, also letting the system drain all the way back into the tank, while changing the filter. That basically emptied the entire fuel line system, and the filter, all the way from the tank to the filter to the lift pump.

Well, that lift pump is not a "run-dry" lift pump. It needs fuel in it to be able to continue to pump and "lift" fuel from the rest of the system. So, it basically needs to be primed in order for it to do it's job. But, that's another story.


But, later at the end of the '03 year or, early in the '04 year, Freightliner CAT equipped coaches, reverted back to a TWO FILTER SYSTEM.
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Good info, but (there's always a but!), how do you prime a closed system if neither the lifting pump nor injector pump can't operate dry?
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Well first off,

Let's clear the air on the single fuel pump thing on certain era Winne/Itasca Freightliner coaches. Winne and Itasca both, with the Freightliner chassis, in the "PRE-C-7" lineup, as in the 3126 engines, utilized TWO FUEL FILTERS. One, at the rear next to the radiator and the second one on the engine, up at the top, on the passengers side. But, in the year/era of mid '03 to late '03, there was a "dispute" between CAT and Freightliner about the need of two filters. This is all info from a member here that I spoke with personally that teaches Freightliner and CAT classes.

And, of course, CAT was demanding two filters as normal and, Freightliner, for monetary reasons, was stipulating only a single filter is needed. I sure as heck wouldn't know why, they didn't make the motor, CAT did. But, in any case, Freightliner won the toss-up and, for a short while, we see only a single fuel filter on many Freightliner chassis equipped coaches.

Now, as for the progression of the CAT/Freightliner fuel system in those coaches. There's been many "assumptions" that just because Cummins installs a lift or, pusher pump IN THE TANK of many coaches, that CAT equipped Freightliner chassis also does this practice too. Well, not so. In many, many Freightliner coaches with CAT engines, there is NO PUMP in the TANK.

The single and only fuel pump is basically attached to what's called the HEUI pump that's bolted to the engine. That's Hydraulic Electric Unit Injector pump. Now, information about the single filter being BEHIND or AFTER the lift pump is a bit off.

In this case scenario, you have a tank, with no pump in it. Then you have a long fuel line that leaves the tank and, travels all the way back to the back of the coach where, it enters the filter base, of the SINGLE AND ONLY FUEL FILTER system. From there, it leaves the other side of the filter base and, goes INTO THE LIFT PUMP, that's as stated, attached to the HEUI pump.

So, ANY FUEL, that enters that lift pump, HAS BEEN FILTERED, by A MANDATORY TWO MICRON filter at the rear of the coach. And that folks, is how the system works. I and, quite a few others on here have proved how it works by making a criminally serious mistake of installing a DRY fuel filter and, also letting the system drain all the way back into the tank, while changing the filter. That basically emptied the entire fuel line system, and the filter, all the way from the tank to the filter to the lift pump.

Well, that lift pump is not a "run-dry" lift pump. It needs fuel in it to be able to continue to pump and "lift" fuel from the rest of the system. So, it basically needs to be primed in order for it to do it's job. But, that's another story.




But, later at the end of the '03 year or, early in the '04 year, Freightliner CAT equipped coaches, reverted back to a TWO FILTER SYSTEM.
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Guess I should have specified the Vectra I had was a Cummins and I did say if you add a filter it has to meet Cummins spec.
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