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Old 06-30-2015, 01:05 PM   #15
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For the third time this week before 8 am some yahoo in his Class A DP has decided to stop near my spot to hook up his toad. No big deal but leaving the engine running is ridiculous. I own one and understand the air pressure build up and all that, BUT COME ON PEOPLE!
Frankly I find this less annoying and disruptive than the daily 6am "symphony" of small yapping dogs that is so prevalent these days!
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Old 06-30-2015, 01:17 PM   #16
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For the third time this week before 8 am some yahoo in his Class A DP has decided to stop near my spot to hook up his toad. No big deal but leaving the engine running is ridiculous. I own one and understand the air pressure build up and all that, BUT COME ON PEOPLE!
Sounds like your "spot" is near or at a good "spot" to hook up toads.

I'd be looking for a different site.
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It's not pusher owners but pretty much some diesel owners in general.
They're used to the noise and smell , and figure the everybody else is too.
I was in a park in Fort St. John , B.C. on a frosty morning , 6:30 AM { self edit} ..... with a diesel truck fired up his truck using his remote start, then took a shower and had breakfast , ran for 45 mins. just so he didn't have to jump into a cold truck.
Coming out of Costco , diesel truck owner waiting to load his new fridge, with truck running , exhaust pointed at the main entry less than 20 feet away.

" Common sense is an oxymoron ; If sense was truly common everyone would have it."

Be very glad that you are in an insulated motorhome, that provides some acoustic insulation!

I have transitioned into motorhomes from originally owning a PopUp. A very big PopUp that was 24 feet long, with a slide out when setup, (A Coleman/Fleetwood GTENiagara). With the SUV TV, the rig length was easily 40 feet overall.

Because of that size, I always had the pleasure of being assigned drive-through sites at the same RV Resorts where the big DPs setup camp.

But man, the discourteousness of diesel owners knows no end when you are sleeping in a tent six feet away from an idling diesel engine!!

It is absolutely horrible to wake up at 4:00a.m. because your neighbor is over 65, retired and brags that they only "need" three hours of sleep every night. Then they start their DP to make coffee, shower, wash dishes, air up, and warm up the engine, while you, (and your entire family), were blissfully asleep in a tent a few feet away!

I'm glad that DP owners, (for the most part), have stopped blasting their air horn when they roll out of their site as it used to be the custom! I think that most people giving the one finger salute and all the mysterious eggs all over the coach paint helped to stop that tradition!
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So I guess to some that idling in front of other rigs before 8 am is OK? That pulling forward towards the office or shutting down while you hook up is not a viable option? I guess a little common sense or courtesy may be to much to ask.
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You just stated TWO of three, of the lost ideals folks of the norm can possess, in life. Common Courtesy, Common Sense and, Common Decency are three traits that so many have forgot to pickup when they were born. As has been stated on this thread along, there are some great RVers out there that have all three and, they also take into consideration, the feelings of other RVers as the hookup, and get ready to travel.

It's really not that hard to be courteous. But, as you've seen, heard and felt, numerous times, some folks just don't give a sh... and, it's their world and no one else matters. You shouldn't have to "move to another spot". And, idling a diesel now days has been proven time and time again, IS NOT THE STANDARD PRACTICE and, is not good for them.

We own a diesel coach and, when camped in a RV park or camp ground, and we're getting ready to leave, I don't start that coach 'till:
1. Everything is picked up, hoses, electrical shore power cord, cable tv if so used, chairs and anything else.
2. If possible, we also hook up the toad, if the site we're presently in, is a pull through. If it's not a pull through, then some COMMON SENSE is applied. If there's no one else camping around me (as in several spaces in any direction) I will pull out and hook up, MAYBE I'll let it idle, maybe not. It only takes me and the wife about 1 - 2 minutes for toad hookup anyway. But, if there's campers near by, we head out and, do our hookup scenario out and away from campers, sometimes after I find a dump station in the camp ground and pull out on the road to hook up.
3. Everything in the coach is secured, including slides, doors, drawers and anything else that can fly open after we get moving.

Then, and only then do I fire the big beast up. I immediately hit the "store" button the HWH panel which, begins the airing up of the bags and, the retraction of the jacks. When that system is in total secured status and, the HWH panel LED light for "Travel mode" lights up, I put it in drive and LEAVE! DONE!!!!!

I drove fire trucks for a living for over 30 years and, we were required to leave them idle while at a scene. Well, about 99.99% of the time, I DIDN'T! The main reasons were, they were noisy, stinky and, in many cases, we were at traffic accidents and had to park close by the patients. I shut down those engines almost immediately. Guess what, NEVER had any issues in that practice.

So, I definitely feel your issues partner. Too bad there's some folks that can't see the light.
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It should take less than 5 minutes to hook up a toad at least it does for me. It's does sound like you were near a good spot to hook up.
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We try to hook up our toad before leaving if at all possible. If not we have the routine down to where it doesn't take very long at all.

It depends on circumstances if we leave the coach running, but I try to make sure it is warmed up sufficiently before pulling out onto the road. I usually try to be courteous to other campers.

That being said I am usually too busy watching people do other distracting things that are far more clueless then leaving their coach running. Walking through my campsite, kids screaming and running around unsupervised, dogs wandering around unescorted doing their business near our site etc. I guess it's part of the fun of camping.
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We frequently camp at a COE campground at a local lake with no sewer hookups at the sites so I get to idle for a loong time while in line at the dump station watching the clueless folks with trailers try to dump tanks while their family and friends pull the whole caravan of cars, trucks, boats, jet skis, etc through the dump station too. Then they decide to secure everything in the boats while blocking the dump lanes.


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Personally, I can't think of a good reason/excuse to keep the engine running during hook-ups regardless of proximity to other campers or not. Its a waste of good fuel IMHO.
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It's a Generational "thing". Some were taught early in life to be respectful of other's life, liberty, and happiness, such as the Greatest generation, Baby Boomer generation, and maybe others, but not the Entitlement generation, for the most part.


And I recently "upgraded" my exhaust system from 4 to 5" with only an Aero straight-thru muffler so I'm very conscience about airing up and getting out.
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The bottom line here is the fact that people are becoming more and more clueless of common courtesy for their fellow man. All they think about is themselves and nothing around them. Sad thing it is but true. Funny how this turns into a diesel idling disagreement.
530, I agree with you.

Commom sense and Common courtesy need a louder voice ...
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Peralko, As a retired over the road trucker I can tell you the diesel engine is not hurt in any way by extended idling. A gasoline engine is what you said. Diesels can idle for hours, days weeks as long as there is fuel.
Tom things change. Your age is showing. You are from the old school. Like my dad you probably left the engine running while you ate, went to the bathroom, etc. As a service manager, I can tell you that now they recommend not idling over ten minutes max. I have talked to all the factory reps. at the dealer show in Louisville. All of them say the same thing. About 5 minutes for warm up and the same for cool down. Cool down is very important for exhaust manifold long life.
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My Detroit Diesel manual says after a long pull to let it idle five minutes, then shut it down...long periods of idling are not good for the newer diesels.
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