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Old 05-16-2011, 09:31 PM   #1
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Beaver vs Monaco

Still shopping for the right new to us DP. I thought we had pretty much decided that we were looking for the best deal we could get on a 2002 - 2006 Windsor. The front runner being the 2006 with 400 Cummins. Then yesterday the salesman at a dealer we stopped in at had a 2005 Beaver Monterey with 400 CAT C-9. We were both surprised that we liked it, other Beavers we had seen were pretty "Gingerbreadie".

Anyway thought I'd ask for some opinions from you guys on the major differences, plusses and minus' on these two models. Mostly concerned with engine, body, paint, chassis issues. OK have at it, I know you guys will be more than willing to help a newbie out.
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Old 05-16-2011, 10:39 PM   #2
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They are both Monaco's under the skin. The chassis are very similar with 8 shocks/air bags. No sure if the Beaver is a side radiator design or not. The side placement is less prone to getting dirty and the engine is more accessible. I personally prefer the Cummins ISL because you get a real engine compression brake instead of an exhaust brake that the Cat has. The Windsor also has front disk brakes and the Beaver is all drum.

It's time to look at new tires soon on either coach so I would check the build dates on the tires.

Some Cummins ISL's in that time frame were subject to a pretty serious wrist pin defect. The block of serial numbers is known by Cummins so if you get the engine number you can call Cummins & find out if that coach has an affected engine.

I think over all the Windsor was a little higher in the model line up. The Beaver cabinet work is beautiful however.

In those years Monaco built coaches in both Indiana and Oregon. It is generally felt that the Oregon coaches had more consistent quality control.

Sorry about the rambling reply. It's getting late & I'm shooting from the hip.

Good luck & safe travels,
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Old 05-16-2011, 10:50 PM   #3
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Thanks Steve,

In this case the Beaver has new tires, stamped July 2010, and side radiator. The Windsor was made in Oregon. I'll be checking the engine number and brakes. A relative that spent his working carreer maintaining school busses likes the CAT better. He said he spent a lot of time repairing oil leaks in Cummins, not so much on CATS.....?
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The true Jake brake is an option on both motors. ISL's and C-9's both have either exhaust or jake brake also Jake makes a exhaust brake so be sure of what you want and what you are getting. Either coast are upper end and I would get the one that had the floor plan and options.

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They are both Monaco's under the skin. The chassis are very similar with 8 shocks/air bags. No sure if the Beaver is a side radiator design or not. The side placement is less prone to getting dirty and the engine is more accessible. I personally prefer the Cummins ISL because you get a real engine compression brake instead of an exhaust brake that the Cat has. The Windsor also has front disk brakes and the Beaver is all drum.

It's time to look at new tires soon on either coach so I would check the build dates on the tires.

Some Cummins ISL's in that time frame were subject to a pretty serious wrist pin defect. The block of serial numbers is known by Cummins so if you get the engine number you can call Cummins & find out if that coach has an affected engine.

I think over all the Windsor was a little higher in the model line up. The Beaver cabinet work is beautiful however.

In those years Monaco built coaches in both Indiana and Oregon. It is generally felt that the Oregon coaches had more consistent quality control.

Sorry about the rambling reply. It's getting late & I'm shooting from the hip.

Good luck & safe travels,
FYI... I would recomend air actuated drum brakes 100 times over Air actuated disc brakes... much less maintenance and much 'less' that can go wrong vs. benefit of ABS and disc tech. Beaver's were 'High-End' coaches for there time. My engine (3176) is a 10.2 liter that evolved into what is now the Cat C-9 and it does not leak a drop of oil after mild use for 20 years.
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A good friend has a 2005 Monterey and loves it, I have a 2005 Santaim and really like mine also. To learn more about Beaver Motor Coachs, check out the Beaver Ambassador Club at Beaver Ambassador Club they very nice coaches.

Good luck with your decision.
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Turn1Fan - your profile doesn't say where you live and your email doesn't explain your plans for the MH. I live in the west and cross significant mountain ranges fairly often, and sometimes in winter. Lots of long, steep grades up and down.

I have a Beaver with the big Cat, as I wanted the tag and the torque. For me it was essential that it have a Jacobs brake and I liked the ABS, but if I lived in the east it would not have been that important. Think about how you will use the coach both from a living and a driving perspective, and inform yourself.
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Beaver Coach

I traded my Beaver last year for a country coach. I had the 325 hp cat in the beaver and to tell you an honest story, I never had any problems with the beaver.I had it for 5 years and 22,000 miles and it performed flawlessly. I had one problem with it while I owned it. It had a rear radiator and I t plugged up and I had overheating problems. It was plugged up on the outside from road grime. I sprayed the entire radiator down with degreaser and power washed it and degreased it again and rinsed it all out and ended my heating problem. I puchased a country coach and I have been plagued with problems, mainly electrical problems.
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Thanks Guys! We bought the Beaver tonight. Should be picking it up next week. The dealer has some detailing and minor repairs to make. We are looking forward to getting on the road some this summer.

@distaf, we too live in the west and were concered about having plenty of power for hill climbing. We were able to road test on some good local hills and everything worked out great going up and down.

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Congrats on your purchase of the Beaver, I personally think you will enjoy your new coach.
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Well done. We have been very happy with ours, it is a bit expensive to roll one of these but it sure makes traveling comfortable.
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I love my Monterey. I think you made a good choice.
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