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Old 01-21-2012, 09:51 AM   #57
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Thanks everyone for the links, i'll be reading up on those.
The midwest states seem to hate Californian RVs.
The only other time we got pulled over was near the borders (upstate NY and near Arizona and Texas) - just for the normal "where are you driving to/from".

Also, I forgot to mention we are 30 year old Asians so we're probably not the sterotypical RV drivers, the cops see this and probably think we are drug runners

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Old 01-21-2012, 10:11 AM   #58
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Police are curious and will investigate when they see something out of place or that doesnt belong. Thats how crime and criminals are detected, For the most part police don't single people out to "harrass" them. Police officer are your neighbours, sons, daughters, cousins, brother, sisters, etc. When the s..t is hitting the fan and your running from the threat, they are the ones running to the threat. What a job!

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To the lady that wrote about having to sit in a police car during a "random" search....
I believe I can answer exactly the "why" question.

It happened to me (and many of my friends) at least once a month for about 2 yrs.
I grew up in a rural desert area north of Los Angeles. We continually were pulled over and searched for L.A. Co. Sheriff "rookie training". Yes, thats right, "rookie training".

Usually the rookie rode with an officer that looked 2x his age. That expreienced leo just observed. (this explains why more cops arrived at your motorhome).

When a rookie was alone, backup came along in short order, and watched his actions. I heard this more than once from and observor: "Your doing great, Bill, nice work".

They stood there watching as the rookie tore my cars up looking for whatever ??? They NEVER found anything, and after they were finished "training", I had to reload, and reassemble my car.

2x I said to the leos, "If you look inside your little black book there in your shirt pocket, you'll see my name. Don't you rememeber....you just pulled me over for this same reason last month". "You guys really need to get a better line".

The "this" was their reasons: "A car fitting the desciption of your vehicle was used in a liquour store robbery last night".

I heard that "reason" about 20 x. You see....we teens of the area were "safe" to practice on. I've even had guns drawn on me while sitting in my dad's station wagon, right near the high school, which I pointed out to the leos that I go to. That time they had 2 suits in the back seat watching their actions.

I even went to jail once with 2 friends for "booking" training. They called our parents 4hrs later to come get us. "It was all a mix up, they were told" Yea, right.

(little did they know, they had Al Cappone, Bugsy Seagel, & Pretty Boy Floyld in their jail....)

I know of 1 leo that got fired for too much harassment. He hit a kid in front of about 20 people at a 4th of July thing in the city park for saying to the leo: "Who are you....John Wayne??" He was NOT leo material.

So hopefully, when any of us get pulled over, for a ticket or "training", they won't make a big mess, or break things.
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Old 01-21-2012, 11:54 AM   #60
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Acquiescing our constitutional rights are a slippery slope, and we have given up far too many already, in the name of "Catching the Bad Guys!"
Has anyone here (besides me) actually read the "Patriot Act" ?
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_cong_public_laws&docid=fub l056.107.pdf

I believe it was Ben Franklin (Remember him? he's on the 100 bill) who said,
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither."
Yes I did and I don't buy into the 9/11 post program crap.
So since then every law abiding AMERICAN citizen automaticaly becomes suspect of something or of some reason!

If stopped in my coach, I will answer any questions respectfully, submit drivers license, owners and insurance cards. But I will not bend over for a search of my MH. Sorry this goes to far. They would not be allowed in my house without a warrant and the same goes with the coach.
I have nothing to hide and have never commited any crimes to warrant suspicion.
If I cross the border into Canada under pretense of Border Crossing, they will be welcome to do so, but I do not plan on any border crossings anytime soon and it would only be to visit our good neighbors of the North.

I was just recently stopped (Thanksgiving Eve) on my way home from work by a State Trooper. He stopped me because I didn't use my turn signal making a lane change, what he really was looking for was a DUI because I was sipping on a coffee.
The trooper ask me for my DL which I gave him, he ask me if I had anything in my truck he should know about which I responded nope, He ask me if I had any wants or warrants which I again responded nope. He then ask if I knew why he stopped me and I responed no sir I do not, though I do know that I was not speeding. He laid the turn signal thing on me and I responded that that was unusual because I always do so, but anything is possible. Now all the while this is happening he from the outside is shining his light in my truck doing a once over search,of course looking for whatever his eye could see, mostly I'd say looking for booze in which I don't drink.
After he found nothing he left me go on my merry way wishing me a Happy Thanksgiving and I responding the same back to him.

I have to wounder with all the money the feds are giving different enforcement agency's,if they have a minimum requirement attached to maintain that funding.
With any program the agencies always want to keep the cash cow happy.
The larger the government the more it turns into a socialistic state..
And as with most of this,,,It is about the "MONEY" as well!

Anyway that's my thoughts on the subject......

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Old 01-21-2012, 02:21 PM   #61
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i have been following this and there is no right answer to cover all the bases
best thing is knowledge on your part.
know the rules for each state your passing through if your carrying a firearm and or are licensed to carry it concealed.

know the states rules on dui or open container, they vary WILDY
some say the passengers in a rv are not covered......again KNOWLEDGE is the key

if you are pulled over,
even though you feel anxious, remain calm and polite. (get more flies with sugar than vinegar)
having the knowledge as your tool, be assertive but not rude if you feel your being wronged

case in point, here in texas some troopers/local police/leo's and deputies like to ask for your ssn to be added on your ticket, under the guise so it make sit easier to track you down later. THIS IS COMPLETE bull muffins
if they have your DL# they can get your ssn simply by going through proper legal channels later if the need for a warrant presents itself.
stand your ground and query how they will protect your ssn from identity theft once they turn in the ticket? They have no answer, because its not legal, but they still ask for it
leo's like to trip you up, its part of being a good leo.
never offer anything that isnt asked for.
just like of one comes to your house investigating a crime in your area and they are simply asking if you saw anything DO NOT LET THEM IN YOUR HOUSE, if they are asked to enter and they see, a suspicious thing in your house.....guess what happens next. you loose and will be cited or arrested, and you gave up your rights when you asked them in.
the unlabeled pill bottle is a great one. who want sto carry around 180 pills in a labeled bottle when you only need say three of em while your out. easy thing is to get a duplicate print script for the pill case.

IMO leo's have a hard enough time avoiding being dead by bad people. so are already notched up on alert when they pull you over.
we as good folks, have to recognize that and diffuse them as best we can.
but there are still dumb/rude/chip on shoulder one running around that think they are the law, judge and jury
those folks.....you have to be on your toes.

as far as borders or border stop points.....you must tread lightly or you will be detained and thoroughly searched
these guys look at tons of vehicles everyday as well as people. its not an easy job.
so its up to us to not cause them added stress
my answers when they come up to the window is yes or no SIR/maam
if they want to search us...well they pretty much can, so its up to us to be (these are not the droids your looking for).
some states have different rules for disabled persons and m/hs because they can be a domicle so to speak
there are some federal statues as well they give us a few more rights against undue instances

in the navy long ago we had a saying " Seapower through Knowledge"
its the same in your personal life. know the rules so you can answer intelligently but politely.
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Old 01-21-2012, 04:03 PM   #63
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If they pull you over, who are we to ask? The only time I had a search was entering the area to Hoover Dam. They inspected the basement area of the coach. Didn't make a whole lot sense to me, cause what if there was something inside the coach?
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Old 01-21-2012, 05:45 PM   #64
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Originally Posted by wackodacko View Post

Today, driving through Ohio, another K9 unit tailed us! After 5 minutes, we decided to try the exiting move again, but they pulled us over at the exit. It was a lady cop who said we were too close to the vehicle in front of us, we should be 1 car length for every 10mph, and thats Ohio law. Well, car length is subjective. is it our car or their car?
I feel your pain. This is a good thread, with some good information (and some just speculating :( ). I was pulled over in Ohio in the late 1980's in my Class A after being followed for at least 15 minutes. The (female) cop said she pulled me over for one of my four taillights being out. All other lights including ICC lights were functional. She had a (male) cadet/rookie with her who she constantly explained her actions to. After I did not consent to a search, she was going to have the coach towed for the light being out and thus the vehicle not being safe to operate on an Ohio roadway. She refused to allow me to drive it from the shoulder to a truck stop that I could see about 1/4 mile away. While waiting for the tow truck I popped the lens off and got the bulb working (corrosion on the socket). She still wanted it towed, and I asked her to have a Supervisor respond to where we were. I had my license back and we were back on the road a few minutes later. I had nothing to hide, and would have complied with the request to search had I felt she was being reasonable or fair. In all walks of life, including law enforcement, there are always a few who abuse their position. I have always respected and complied with the law and also expect a respect of my basic rights from others. I would always welcome an officer into my coach, as long as I feel that it was for a legitimate reason and not for their 'entertainment value'.
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Originally Posted by RovinOn View Post
If stopped in my coach, I will answer any questions respectfully, submit drivers license, owners and insurance cards. But I will not bend over for a search of my MH. Sorry this goes to far. They would not be allowed in my house without a warrant and the same goes with the coach.
I have nothing to hide and have never commited any crimes to warrant suspicion.
Stay out of WA then. Here the LEO has the right to search your vehicle for "personal protection" without a warrant. It's been to the State Supreme Court and uphelod. The LEO has the right to search the vehicle to assure his safety during a traffic stop. Haven't been stopped in so many years (over 30 now) that I don't know what they do during a stop or search.
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A motorhome falls under the "Castle Law" look it up.
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Old 01-21-2012, 07:29 PM   #67
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Last time I checked, the 4th amendment still applies in all 50 states.
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Police stopping

Interesting reading. We've been fortunate in all our travels not to be stopped. But years ago we were heading through New Mexico heading to Carlsbad Caverns. Somewhere along a 2 lane road there was a border patrol stop. The LEO was by himself and very pleasant. Said they had to keep an eye on illegials and needed to check the bays. Sure, opened them up and he could see there wasn't anything hiding in there. Then he said he needed to check the coach, especially "under the bed". Well, we had 2 teens with us and they had the couch bed laid out with earphone cords stretched from the galley TV to their heads, were asleep, and with the slide in, the couch hit the "J" couch on the other side of the isle so you had to climb over them to get to the back of the coach. We told him he could look, if he could navigate the mess and that the only thing under the bed was the engine. He came in, took one look and said not to worry, we were fine, have a great trip and thanks for being so cooperative. The kids never woke up.
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I've tried to avoid posting to this thread as I know that many people have strong feelings both ways. I am a very solid Constitutionalist. I also have many LEO friends, a few very close for many years. I see both sides of this type of debate.

The vast majority of our LEO's are good, hard working men and women who do a very difficult job. They are tasked with our protection, yet have had 90% of their best tools taken away from them (profiling, etc.). They must make assessments of risk and law within seconds, while the general public have days and months to rip apart their actions.

The 4th amendment provides us all with individual rights against unlawful searches, however many states have enacted laws that allow for certain situations...such as Washington's "officer protection" issue as stated by "Mr. D". The LEO is authorized to pat down a "suspect" in this case. However, the LEO must be able to articulate the reason why he/she felt reason to feel that an emanate threat existed. It is NOT a blanket authorization to search everyone they come into contact with, and any illegal items that may be found during this "pat down", for example, drugs, may not necessarily be prosecuted. In addition, a vehicle may not be searched for "officer safety". They have the authorization to request/order you to exit the vehicle...then proceed to "pat you down" for officer safety if they believe a threat exists...the vehicle requires a search warrant. BTW, I just asked about this specific issue...my neighbor across the street is a current member of the Washington State Patrol.

From my personal point of view, I have zero issues with complying with officers reasonable requests. They do a difficult job and I don't want to be one of the reasons why.
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I thought they needed a search warrant unless you let them search. It's still your private property. I'd have to fight that if it was me. I'd ask to see there search warrant first. They always ask for permission to search cars and this is your private home while on the road.

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