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01-12-2018, 08:31 PM
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Location: Zebulon, NC
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I have always been in favor of vehicle
/ body cams. We were mounting then in the late 80s. Didn't talk long for the dark side to realize they probably don't really want to see them. It took 6 minutes of body cam and 10 mins of block surveillance to clear me from a critical incident.
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01-12-2018, 08:36 PM
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#408
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Fleetwood Owners Club Workhorse Chassis Owner
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Central Jersey
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Go on Youtube and search for unauthorized vehicle stops.
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01-12-2018, 09:04 PM
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Location: VA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne M
I guess if one wants to exert their rights to cross the Hoover Dam and not be searched they can turn around and go back the way the came. Is that a scenario?
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That's right, but "please park over to the right so we can stop traffic. This may take a while"!!!
We were "searched" at Hoover Dam. I got out and opened all the exterior lockers while DW stayed inside. The inside guy looked around and spent a good 5 minutes petting the dog. He never got off the steps!! We did enjoy the visit and having the MH got us thru the line faster than the car inspection line.
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01-13-2018, 04:08 AM
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Senior Member
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Wow, the distrust and dislike of police is strong in this topic.
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01-13-2018, 08:50 AM
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Fleetwood Owners Club Workhorse Chassis Owner
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That’s really too bad.
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Originally Posted by tcg
Wow, the distrust and dislike of police is strong in this topic.
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01-13-2018, 08:56 AM
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#412
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Senior Member
Fleetwood Owners Club Workhorse Chassis Owner
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Central Jersey
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Like lawyers.
Cameras keep everyone on the up and up.
Cameras for everyone, everywhere.
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01-13-2018, 10:36 AM
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Senior Member
Newmar Owners Club Tiffin Owners Club Workhorse Chassis Owner
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tcg
Wow, the distrust and dislike of police is strong in this topic.
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Gee, I wonder why? Could it be they've brought it on themselves by some of their actions and policies?
jt
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01-13-2018, 10:59 AM
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Senior Member
Fleetwood Owners Club Workhorse Chassis Owner
Join Date: Mar 2013
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Distrust? No! Informed ya!
LEO’s are working while you travel. To serve and protect - serve legal requirements and protect your rights. Just helps if you’re on the same page. Don’t challenge but ask for clarity on consent. You and LEO are protected by the law - the same law! You rolling over on your rights jeopardizes all of us!
Thanks for input from LEOs who RV👍
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01-13-2018, 01:15 PM
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This discussion just demonstrates where the real problem stems from!
We (all of us) have allowed our society to be drawn away from a "community" to a world of distrust, them against us, lack of responsibility, everything's ok as long as I don't hurt someone else and no common sense.
Having been an LEO once I saw how the culture of the profession changed along with the society it served. Standards were changed( lowered) to be more "inclusive". At the same time those who were in control began to, and continue to "militarize" our police forces. All the while claiming it was needed for security. We (all of us) have allowed the pols and special interests to degrade the principles the country was founded on. It is up to "all of us" to reverse the trend in how we defend our freedom by participating in every way including the way we vote!
We need to stop basing decisions and changes on the exceptions and return to "Majority Rules"!
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01-13-2018, 02:03 PM
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Newmar Owners Club Tiffin Owners Club Workhorse Chassis Owner
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SlaterDoc
This discussion just demonstrates where the real problem stems from!
We (all of us) have allowed our society to be drawn away from a "community" to a world of distrust, them against us, lack of responsibility, everything's ok as long as I don't hurt someone else and no common sense.
Having been an LEO once I saw how the culture of the profession changed along with the society it served. Standards were changed( lowered) to be more "inclusive". At the same time those who were in control began to, and continue to "militarize" our police forces. All the while claiming it was needed for security. We (all of us) have allowed the pols and special interests to degrade the principles the country was founded on. It is up to "all of us" to reverse the trend in how we defend our freedom by participating in every way including the way we vote!
We need to stop basing decisions and changes on the exceptions and return to "Majority Rules"!
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(Emphasis added)
Thats a big part of it. Many police departments now have officers running around in tactical gear driving big SUVs with blacked out glass. They think they are CIA or Secret Service. And, the local PD here several years ago lowered the standards dramatically for new recruits. This is now coming back around and biting them in the rear end as there are so many thug-cops that are now being arrested and dismissed from the force for misconduct, be it drugs, domestic abuse, or any number of other serious infractions. Of course, there's no way to tell the good ones from the bad ones.
I do wish we could return to the days when the local cop was actually a friendly guy looking out for everyone. You know - Protect & Serve. Unfortunately, I'm just afraid those days are long gone and never to return.
I just think that today there are far too many who are just looking out for themselves. If one of them wants to search me or my rig, he needs a properly executed search warrant. If they want to search, then that means to me they want to find something. They aren't searching you to clear you, they're searching you so they can catch you with something and arrest you. There have been too many reports of mishandled drug dogs inaccurately hitting because of coaching. I simply don't trust them.
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01-13-2018, 03:50 PM
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There was an attempt years ago to return to those days you speak of that was called "Community Policing". But, like everything else that also got off track and messed with. A solution to many of today's problems would be community policing where more time is spent with the officer on foot in the community, assigned to the same area and they become human to the public they serve. You don't need to "profile". You know what doesn't fit or look right. You develop relationships and intelligence (in a number of ways) that makes an encounter with that RV passing through town be a welcome and here's the best place to go for breakfast! And...no need to call for a drug dog!
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01-13-2018, 04:32 PM
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Monaco Owners Club
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They can search anything I own or drive. I have nothing to hide. I believe that if you demonstrate respect and you will get the same. Those that fear either have something to hide or read too many "Big Brother" BS articles.
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01-13-2018, 06:37 PM
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JT, can you, or anybody else for that matter show me where it says that a warrant is a requirement to search a vehicle and DO NOT bother quoting the fourth amendment, and I bet you can't how the fourth amendment was made applicable to the states.
I have already posted the case law that provides the EXCEPTIONS to a search warrant requirement.
If an officer believes that they have probable cause to search you or your vehicle, it will happen, the only question is how many other charges are you going to have.
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2020 Grand Design Solitude 390RK-R
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01-13-2018, 07:09 PM
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#420
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 1,059
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chargerman
They can search anything I own or drive. I have nothing to hide. I believe that if you demonstrate respect and you will get the same. Those that fear either have something to hide or read too many "Big Brother" BS articles.
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My viewpoint also.
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