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Old 05-13-2012, 02:35 PM   #1
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CC Allure/American Tradition

Looking at 2 coaches, 2003 Country Coach Allure 40 Tag and an American Tradition 40 no tag.
Miles are about the same. Both are 370 cummins.
So which is the better coach? I like both.Thanks
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Old 05-13-2012, 03:08 PM   #2
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For me it would be the cc hands down
Great coaches. Jmho
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Old 05-13-2012, 03:23 PM   #3
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Both good rigs.

CCC of the Allure should be excellent but storage space smaller.

CCC of the Tradition should be determined before the purchase by weighing the axles and comparing to Gross Vehicle Weight Rating.

I think the Country Coach was a better built rig but that one is now an orphan. American Coach is still in business.

Most important is condition and then floorplan.
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We have had four of the American Coach brand. The workmanship has been great. Both CC and AC are very good but as said above AC is still in business. We have had very good support from Fleetwood. Good luck in the hunt.
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OK, what does CCC stand for?
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Tradition, hands down!
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Cc is not an orphan. It has IMO one of the best chassis out there . Several co. support them including the original builders. Every one has their favorite based on either what they could afford or what had their top priorities.
Good luck and have lots of fun looking
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OK, what does CCC stand for?
Cargo Carrying Capacity.

Here's how to calculate an RV's cargo carrying capacity:
  • Start with the vehicle's gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR)
    • 20,000 pounds (GVWR)
  • Subtract the vehicle's unloaded vehicle weight (UVW)
    • The UVW is a manufacturer provided weight measurement of the vehicle that includes a full tank (or tanks) of fuel, coolant and oil
    • 14,500 pounds (UVW)
  • Subtract the weight of the sleeping capacity weight rating (SCWR)
    • The SCWR is another manufacturer provided weight measurement (a maximum weight) determined by multiplying 154 pounds times the number of sleeping positions
    • 924 pounds (SCWR) (6 sleeping positions x 154 pounds)
  • Subtract the weight of the propane fuel (LP gas)
    • Propane weighs 4.2 pounds per gallon
    • 50.4 pounds (LP gas) (12 gallons x 4.2 pounds)
  • Subtract the weight of the fresh water on board
    • Water weighs 8.3 pounds per gallon
    • 207.5 pounds (fresh water) (25 gallons x 8.3 pounds)
  • The result is the cargo carrying capacity (CCC) of the vehicle
    • 4,318.1 pounds (CCC) (cargo carrying capacity)
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Thanks Marc/ Jan for the information. It's been a learning curve.
So which coach rides, handles better? I've heard about the Dynomax, but not the Tradition!
And should we choice the CC, there has to be someone to work on the CC.
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I can speak in generalities to this question. As you can see we own a 42' American Coach (Fleetwood) Revolution tag which we chose after much investigation and comparison ... this is our 5th coach and we are delighted with it. I always said that my ideal would be a 40' tag with 400+ HP ... I had the Cummins 370 (360 actually) in an '08 Tiffin Phaeton 42' tag - somewhat underpowered but adequate so should be fine in a 40'? Both chassis and drivetrain are comparable in these coaches you mention, and you will no doubt be happy with either I think. Tag makes a huge difference for a variety of reasons, all of which will impact your enjoyments and satisfaction from the "motoring" aspect of motorhoming. Floorpland, accessories, etc. - another issue. GL
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Cargo Carrying Capacity.

Here's how to calculate an RV's cargo carrying capacity:
  • Start with the vehicle's gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR)
    • 20,000 pounds (GVWR)
  • Subtract the vehicle's unloaded vehicle weight (UVW)
    • The UVW is a manufacturer provided weight measurement of the vehicle that includes a full tank (or tanks) of fuel, coolant and oil
    • 14,500 pounds (UVW)
  • Subtract the weight of the sleeping capacity weight rating (SCWR)
    • The SCWR is another manufacturer provided weight measurement (a maximum weight) determined by multiplying 154 pounds times the number of sleeping positions
    • 924 pounds (SCWR) (6 sleeping positions x 154 pounds)
  • Subtract the weight of the propane fuel (LP gas)
    • Propane weighs 4.2 pounds per gallon
    • 50.4 pounds (LP gas) (12 gallons x 4.2 pounds)
  • Subtract the weight of the fresh water on board
    • Water weighs 8.3 pounds per gallon
    • 207.5 pounds (fresh water) (25 gallons x 8.3 pounds)
  • The result is the cargo carrying capacity (CCC) of the vehicle
    • 4,318.1 pounds (CCC) (cargo carrying capacity)
That is a great description of the formula for a new vehicle.

However, on a used vehicle which may have had modifications you should substitute the weighed vehicle weight for the UVW.

Actually, when buying fleet vehicles where net payloads were critical, the new UVW per the manufacturer was usually much lower than the actual weight of the new vehicle delivered to our facility.

So, where you can, get a $10 weight report from a CAT scale to compare to the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating. Also get the weight on each axle and compare to its capacity rating.

Often a MH that meets the GVWR fails on one of the axles.
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So when you mean fail, it's overweight?
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So which coach rides, handles better? I've heard about the Dynomax, but not the Tradition!
And should we choice the CC, there has to be someone to work on the CC.
One with the tag will ride/handle better. IMO
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03 CC was toward the end of the founding management's tenure IIRC, and Bob Lee had quite a reputation for quality & customer service. Like gold plated. If a 40' tag axle cannot out shine a 40' non-tag for stability, I'd be way surprised, shocked.
The Allure should be a nicer appointed rig than the Tradition, and would have sold for considerably more loot originally. Care & upkeep in the mean time could spell some serious differences.
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