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Old 11-13-2013, 01:40 PM   #29
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Apparently we don't camp in the same places. On our first trip this past summer there were three occasions where either a DP or diesel pickup was idling nearby for more than 15 minutes. It is rude and inconsiderate and campground management should prohibit it.
That is the point of quiet hours...
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Old 11-13-2013, 01:43 PM   #30
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We have a 2013 Winnie. Journey 40U.
Was advised by the person that gave us our PDI.
that we needed to have shore power plus the engine running
to extend and to bring the slides in.the last thing I do is un plug the shore power.
Oh, engine needs to be running to raise the jacks.
I agree that just ideling will not bring the engine up to operating temp.
A cool down before shutting down is necessary.
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If I'm idling that long leaving a campsite, please come and help me. Something is wrong...
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Old 11-13-2013, 05:05 PM   #32
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I'm sure there are a few DP's that idle for an extended period, but I've noticed the 5th wheelers a lot more....especially if they've unhooked from the truck. It's easily a half hour or more!!
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On our AK caravan, I think one guy started his engine before eating breakfast.

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We have a 2013 Winnie. Journey 40U.
Was advised by the person that gave us our PDI.
that we needed to have shore power plus the engine running
to extend and to bring the slides in.the last thing I do is un plug the shore power.
Oh, engine needs to be running to raise the jacks.
I agree that just ideling will not bring the engine up to operating temp.
A cool down before shutting down is necessary.
That person was wrong, his statement should have been "shore power OR engine running", shore power and engine running is redundancy. The jacks are powered by 12VDC. If the batteries are in good condition, they will power the 12VDC jacks while disconnected. Some jacks are spring-retracted, requiring very little 12VDC power.
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That is the point of quiet hours...
And the reason for state idling laws becoming widespread.
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And the reason for state idling laws becoming widespread.
This is a good thing!
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Old 11-15-2013, 07:10 AM   #36
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I was parked next to a DP one time and the owner stated the engine everyday at the same hour and idled it for 1/2 hour.
One camper went for a 16 miles trip everyday with his Ram at 10AM.

Funny what some campers think is required.

I have never idled my vehicles any more then required and take off slowly to give a chance for fast and proper warmup.
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A diesel creates very little heat while in idle mode. In order to get the engine warm, it needs to be put under a load.

Run it just long enough to air up the suspension and brakes and establish oil pressure. Then it is OK to start working the engine a little. Go ahead and pull out but be light on the throttle and do not make full throttle use until the engine is warming and the temp gauge is moved up closer to normal range.

Once the engine has warmed a bit...time to let it work.

Bu the same token, letting it idle for 20 or 30 minutes when you park is useless. Usually by the time you have pulled off the road, checked in at the office and arrived at the site, the engine and turbo are cool enough to shut down. If you have a exhaust temp gauge you can check the temps and once it is down and stabilized, go ahead and shut down.

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this has just simply not been my experience with many diesels over the last 40 yrs. I let mine idle 10-15 min. at which time I am showing some value on the temp gauge, usually around 140-150. how do you use light throttle when pulling out into 35-45 mph traffic without slowing people down? What I have done works well for the engines as I usually get between 15-17000 hrs. or close to a million miles between ovhs.
since we all pay or own repair bills do it your way.
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this has just simply not been my experience with many diesels over the last 40 yrs. I let mine idle 10-15 min. at which time I am showing some value on the temp gauge, usually around 140-150. how do you use light throttle when pulling out into 35-45 mph traffic without slowing people down?

Simple, you just wait until the traffic clears enough for you to pull out without using full throttle. Usually this only takes a minute or so.

For us, typically by the time I pull out of my site, maneuver through the rv park and arrive at the highway/street/road entry point, my temp gauge is already showing 140-150 degrees. Very few times have I been located close enough to the rv park entrance where this isn't possible. On those occasions, I just wait for the traffic to clear and pull out under half throttle. By the time I reach the next stop sign/light, I'm up to normal operating temps.

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Our engine has to be running to retract the full wall slide and the stabilizing jacks. Once I have everything packed away and all the shore connections stored I'll start the engine, retract the slides, then the jacks, and away we go. 5 to 10 minutes.


That said, I do occasionally see the behavior you mention, along with those that will start the engine for 20 to 30 minutes once per week, or once per month. I suspect the latter are doing more damage with the cold start ups and failure to get the engine up to full operating temps than just leaving it alone, not to mention smoking out the rest of the RV park.
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Sorry to bring this up......and not to sound sarcastic as it certainly doesn't take 30 minutes to do this check, but no one in this thread mentioned a air test??!!

It amazes me the number of people that just jump in their air equipped vehicles after sitting for a weekend or week or longer at a campstite.......and never think to check whats actually going to stop their 40 or 50 thousand odd pound coach.

Just saying.,


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External Inspection

Secure the vehicle

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