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Old 05-30-2013, 03:59 AM   #141
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Don / Dan - thanks for the front overhead bed pic. To me, this doesn't seem to be an improvement from the 2012 models with the extra bedding in the rear of the RV. Sure I'll have to see it in person to appreciate it.
The real improvement with this design is in transferring load from over the rear axles to up front where you have more carrying capacity. I was shocked to learn that my 08 F-53 Outlaw was over weight on the rear by the entire weight of my bike and having the big bed as far high and rearward as they could get it was the culprit for sure. Moving this load coupled with the heavier load capacity on the new units is a win win.
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The real improvement with this design is in transferring load from over the rear axles to up front where you have more carrying capacity. I was shocked to learn that my 08 F-53 Outlaw was over weight on the rear by the entire weight of my bike and having the big bed as far high and rearward as they could get it was the culprit for sure. Moving this load coupled with the heavier load capacity on the new units is a win win.

I never thought of that but makes perfect sense.
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Old 05-31-2013, 12:14 AM   #143
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Don / Dan - thanks for the front overhead bed pic. To me, this doesn't seem to be an improvement from the 2012 models with the extra bedding in the rear of the RV. Sure I'll have to see it in person to appreciate it.
I wanted to mention that Thor hasn't stopped installing beds in the Outlaw's garage. They are now offering side facing seats that fold up or flat like towable toyhaulers.

You can see them on this sales ad: New Thor Motor Coach Outlaw for sale in Alvarado TX | 2013 Thor Motor Coach Outlaw New Toy Hauler RV for Sale (37LS) W/Slide Class A For Sale from Motor Home Specialist in Alvarado Texas

There is a good picture of the lowered front bunk there too.

I actually like these bunks better and had used the same layout with trundle beds.
When down, wouldn't the old style lift beds block the entire garage, preventing access to the ramp? With the new style, you can add a table and have a massive dining table.

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Yes, when in the down position it would completely block the ramp. The upside is that with the screen, it was like sleeping in a really comfy tent!
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Safari Simba FD

Found a video on YouTube of a Safari Simba from Jan 2012....seems to be from a dealer called Southwest Arizona Car Guy.

See post #12 for another model.

I think the data lable on the coach says it is a "FD" model but more importantly, this shows that Safari is a Monaco product.

It has an electric drop down bunk - in the middle of the main room! -

2007 safari Simba 34k miles Class A toyhauler - YouTube
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have this same one. Love it, but today my jacks will not go down and it keeps blinking at me. I don't know what to do. Any help would be great. Please
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have this same one. Love it, but today my jacks will not go down and it keeps blinking at me. I don't know what to do. Any help would be great. Please
Very nice (and rare) RV!

You might have better luck starting your own thread in these forums (be sure to post the year/make/model of the RV and the jacks):

~Monaco Owners Forum:
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And here's a Factory Video on the 2008 Safari Simba FD Toyhauler by Monaco!
2008 Safari Simba FD Toy Hauler RV Quick Tour - YouTube
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Looking at more video's on YouTube, I found this nice dealer walk-thru of a Four Winds Hurricane toyhauler...see post #5 on this thread for add'l info about the Four Winds Hurricane.

The title must just be a mistake by the poster. It's obviously not a 2012 Outlaw:
2012 outlaw from lazydays rv Tucson - YouTube
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Newmar Canyon Star Toyhaulers for 2014

The official Newmar brochures are out for the 2014 models:
Canyon Star Brochure | Newmar Corporation

And, it features the new for 2014, model 3921. While the model number may seem like it is only a slightly modified 3920 from the 2012-2013 model line-up...it features a very different floor plan.

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The wife and I have been considering an upgrade to a Class A Toyhauler and have been slowly researching the Newmar and Thor units. We saw the 2013 model of the Newmar at the Tampa RV show and had yet to see the Thor. We decided to stop at LazyDays yesterday because their website showed 6 units for sale. We are specifically interested in the LS Model but found out they only had 1 of the 6 units listed on site and it was the MD model. The other 5 are on order and awaiting delivery, one of which already has a deposit on it.

I am really surprised they showed us the unit yesterday as it had only been delivered a couple of days prior and had not been gone through by the LazyDays staff. Evidently once a unit is ready for viewing it gets the LazyDays sticker badges by the entry door and rear of the unit which this unit did not have yet.

This unit was in "B A D" shape. I am blown away that Thor would let this leave the factory in the condition it was. All i could ask was where is the Quality Control. The driver obviously had issues driving it as well and may have even had a truck stop party in it. Seriously, both mirrors were damaged and one was cracked severely. The front bumper had both corners creamed.

Once inside the unit has lots of scuff marks on the engine hump, the linoleum floor was buckling in two spots. The molding was not even and lined up in a couple of spots. The kitchen faucet was bent. The ceiling vent had a tear in the screen. The toilet seat was broken. The rear couch looks like they had something riding in it and it was sliding around during transport, possibly a suitcase that scuffed the material.

I am assuming the only reason we were shown this unit was because I bought my Vista last August from this same salesperson at LazyDays and he knew up front this was not the model we were interested in.

Aside from the negatives if the unit was in good shape I would have liked it a lot. Still want to see the LS model but saw some of the features in this one that I really like. The hideaway sleeping area over the drivers area is really nice. It is definitely a nice step up from the Vista we bought as far as quality of materials and amenities.

Now to make the trip to Fort Myers to see the newest Newmar.
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Best of luck with your search!

Two very interesting points in the post. First, finding a 37MD to see because they are still very rare being very new, and the condition upon delivery.

With the exception of possibly the molding alignment, I read LOTS of damage vs. build quality/QC...WOW...Creamed bumpers...Torn vent screen...Bent faucet...and Broken mirrors?! I wonder why the dealer would except the unit in that condition(?)

BTW, for your search, the Outlaw 37LS is VERY similar to the Outlaw 3611 (made up to 2013 models) except for 1 extra foot of length used by a pantry to the rear of the 'fridge (passenger side) and a bit of room added to the wall to the rear of the dinette (drivers side).

The Newmar is a very nice unit, and notice that there is a new floorplan (model 3921) coming out at this time that has a super slide on the drivers side!

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For those that have seen the Outlaw 37MD... Do you think the passenger side pop out (with the couch) is long enough to be converted to bunk beds for children? Around say 60" min. Anywhere I could find that spec?

Im contemplating a bunk bed model and another funmover/class a toyhauler, so if I could find a motorhome toyhauler with bunk beds Im sold.
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For those that have seen the Outlaw 37MD... Do you think the passenger side pop out (with the couch) is long enough to be converted to bunk beds for children? Around say 60" min. Anywhere I could find that spec?

Im contemplating a bunk bed model and another funmover/class a toyhauler, so if I could find a motorhome toyhauler with bunk beds Im sold.
I haven't seen one in-person yet...but you could call Thor to confirm the width of the sofa...
From the draft floorplan picture...if the garage is 122" and a little over 1 and 3/4 sofa's fit, then the sofa is "about" 70 inches overall.

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BTW, for your search, the Outlaw 37LS is VERY similar to the Outlaw 3611 (made up to 2013 models) except for 1 extra foot of length used by a pantry to the rear of the 'fridge (passenger side) and a bit of room added to the wall to the rear of the dinette (drivers side).

The Newmar is a very nice unit, and notice that there is a new floorplan (model 3921) coming out at this time that has a super slide on the drivers side!

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One of the biggest attractions to the Outlaw is the dropdown bed over the drivers area. This is a new feature for the 37LS. I also like the party deck on the tailgate which the Newmar does not offer.

One other issue I had with the 37MD was a really bad generator drone when passing the shower/bathroom area. I am hoping this was just a one off problem like this particular unit had so many others of.

I am really looking forward to seeing the LS model towards the end of the month.

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For those that have seen the Outlaw 37MD... Do you think the passenger side pop out (with the couch) is long enough to be converted to bunk beds for children? Around say 60" min. Anywhere I could find that spec?

Im contemplating a bunk bed model and another funmover/class a toyhauler, so if I could find a motorhome toyhauler with bunk beds Im sold.
I think Steve gives a much better answer but I believe the rear couch was every bit of 60+ inches.
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