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Old 09-27-2013, 03:56 PM   #225
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The Outlaw and the Newmar are on 2 different chassis. The outlaw is on the Ford 24000 GVWR chassis and the Newmar is on the Ford 26000 GVWR chassis.
This seems to have has changed...the new 2014 Outlaw's being ordered for dealers stock are now advertised at coming on the 26,000lb Ford chassis. As reviewed earlier, this was a function of parts ordered for the stripped F53 chassis.

Like: New Thor Motor Coach Outlaw for sale in Alvarado TX | 2014 Thor Motor Coach Outlaw 37LS Garage, 26K Chassis, Pwr. Bunk, 3 A/C, 4 TV Class A For Sale from Motor Home Specialist in Alvarado Texas

Background: This is such a good thing because owners of the legacy Outlaw's built on the 22,000lb Ford could find that they were at or above GVWR with a standard load and a couple of motorcycles in the garage.

The latest improvement was a 24,000lb GVWR found in the 2013 and early 2014 37LS, 37MD, and legacy Outlaw's riding on Workhorse W24's.
Of course, the Outlaw on the Freightliner FRED always had 27,000lb GVWR.

In terms of GVWR, more is most usually better.

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I would be willing to guess that the chassis listed at 26K for the outlaw could be a misprint or mis-informed listing. The website currently states 24K for both Outlaw models for 2014.

I would be more app to believe the manufacturer before a dealer.

Here is the link to Thor's specs for the 2014 Outlaw; 2014 Outlaw Garage Motorhomes: Class A Toy Hauler RV by Thor Motor Coach

I have had a 36' Thor Funmover on an 8.1 5500 chassis and currently have a 3920 Newmar. I wish the Class A toy haulers were still available in the 8.1 Workhorse with the Allison tans. However I do prefer the fit and finish of the Newmar product. With that said, I wish I would have waited 1 more year and ordered the 3921 Newmar with the full wall slide. Much better floor layout. We did look at the Outlaws before ordering the Newmar, but the deciding factor for us was the bedroom in the Newmar.

No matter which you have, enjoy, take the toys and go on a few adventures!
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Old 09-30-2013, 11:07 AM   #227
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I would be willing to guess that the chassis listed at 26K for the outlaw could be a misprint or mis-informed listing. The website currently states 24K for both Outlaw models for 2014.

I would be more app to believe the manufacturer before a dealer.

Here is the link to Thor's specs for the 2014 Outlaw; 2014 Outlaw Garage Motorhomes: Class A Toy Hauler RV by Thor Motor Coach

I have had a 36' Thor Funmover on an 8.1 5500 chassis and currently have a 3920 Newmar. I wish the Class A toy haulers were still available in the 8.1 Workhorse with the Allison tans. However I do prefer the fit and finish of the Newmar product. With that said, I wish I would have waited 1 more year and ordered the 3921 Newmar with the full wall slide. Much better floor layout. We did look at the Outlaws before ordering the Newmar, but the deciding factor for us was the bedroom in the Newmar.

No matter which you have, enjoy, take the toys and go on a few adventures!
CONGRATS on the 3920! Please share about it, so perspective owners can get some inside info...this thread has been made a "Sticky" so it will stay at the top of the list of Class A MH Discussions

And, totally agree about having the 8.1L option in a chassis would be a wonderful thing...but that's a dead horse. Lets hope that Spartan gets moving to offer their Extol with 8.8L gas engine:
Spartan Unveiling Extol ‘Concept’ Gas Chassis | RV Business

About the OutlawRV.com website - unfortunately, I have to offer that it often does not have the best/up to date info.
Examples: The public was made aware of the new 2013 Outlaw 37LS and 37MD models by word-of-mouth and a few press releases MONTHS before the website was updated. It wasn't until the models were at showrooms that good pictures and details were available. AND at this very time, Thor has introduced a new Outlaw, the 35SG, BUT it is not listed on the Outlaw or TMC websites...only details and pictures are on a sales ad from a dealer in OH!
2014 Damon Outlaw 35SG | Performance RV Rental | Ohio RV Rentals | Ohio RV Rental

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Old 09-30-2013, 04:01 PM   #228
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Vet618 made a good point about the new Outlaw GVWR's (Sales Ads vs. Website) so I wrote to Thor...here is the reply from Jonathan Krider, Marketing at TMC
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We have increased the GVWR of the chassis from 24,000 to 26,000-lbs for the class A Outlaws.

This change is just being implemented for what we are calling 2014.5 models. The increased GVWR will increase the garage cargo area's weight rating from 1,500 to 2,500-lbs.

We just announced the 35SG and the new chassis to our dealers about 10 days ago, so the web is getting updated as we speak.

Thank you,

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THANK YOU, Jon for the quick reply!
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Motorhome toyhauler

My toyhauler is also a class a. But I do not have a bedroom in the garage. We have a full queen bed in it's own room with full height ceiling. Although the garage does have queen bunks in it. I liked the outlaw/ bounty hunter design as well, thought it had a bigger living room, but the dw wasn't fond of the loft bedroom.
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My toyhauler is also a class a. But I do not have a bedroom in the garage. We have a full queen bed in it's own room with full height ceiling. Although the garage does have queen bunks in it. I liked the outlaw/ bounty hunter design as well, thought it had a bigger living room, but the dw wasn't fond of the loft bedroom.
You don't say what kind you have???
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Canyon Star Ramp

I have wondered for a while "why the large bump on the inside (top) in the Newmar's Rear Ramp?"

Extra structure inside the ramp frame...maybe it's a cantilever ramp frame...or?

So, here is my guess...as the rear wheels of the toy approaches the ramp hinge in these Toy Haulers, a low body vehicle "might" bottom out, SO lift the toy's rear wheels while on the ramp = less risk to bottom-out(?)

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This is just my guess...

Photo from a for sale ad here:
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Also, this ad says this 3920 is a 2007...but my research shows that Newmar was making the All Star Toy Hauler in 2007 and the Canyon Star came out in 2008 as a 2009 model(?).


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Old 10-22-2013, 06:22 AM   #232
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That's exactly why the do it. That's also why the Outlaw had the slant towards the rear of the garage. The bump is external on the Newmar and internal on the Outlaw
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Hello I have been reading this thread and thought I would through in my 2 cents for what it's worth I have had a diesel pusher and a 5 th wheel and now a outlaw and I do love my outlaw .... The dp I had broke down in Daytona beach and it took over 6 hrs to get it towed and then I couldn't find anyone that would fix it (turbo) went out and was pumping oil straight out the exhaust so I was at the murcie of a tow truck so to make a long story short I had it towed to a storage facility and went to Sears and bought the tools I needed to pull the turbo and rented a car ( didn't have the toad with me ) never do that again. And drove the family back to ohio and had a new turbo built and the returned 2 weeks later to reinstall and made it back home only to have other tranny problems next time out and the final straw was the rear end a couple trips later needless to say the wife said never going in the Monaco dynasty again sooooo we traded it in for a new 5th wheel ..... Which was nice but too much work for weekend retreats but I made due for 5 years which having a truck is no biggie because I have a construction business and always have diesel trucks so I do like diesels all my trucks are diesels but this time we only wanted gas for the MH simply because I can put a new engine and trans in the coach (worse case scenario ) cheaper than I can even think about fixing a diesel but I only put maybe 4 to 5 k miles a year on the MH so maintaining a gas is a lot cheaper and if it is a little slower on the hills so be it I'm on vacation any way. And if anyone tells you you work on diesels less and hold up longer ....... Well evidently they either havnt had one before or this is there first one. And for the fuel mileage it's about the same. But I do have to say the v10 is at it limit with a load in the garage and a toad so if you need more load then you are gong to have to go to a DP. Or truck conversion. Hope this helps just my first hand experience
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Options

I found a Newmar Canyon Star 3920 for sale ad that showed the optional washer/dryer cabinet in the garage (I'm still looking for pics of one with the 1/2 bath too).

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I am not clear on the reason for making the cabinet with the fine furniture finishes in the garage (same thought for the Outlaw 3612's Murphy Bed)...

But, these Toy Haulers are all about options!

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Newmar AllStar's

Found some Newmar AllStar's for sale to grab some pictures of these mid-engine Diesel Toyhaulers. See post #10 for more.


A 4153 (side door/ramp):
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2006 Allstar 4153 Diesel Toy Hauler Class A Motorhome


A 4155 (double side ramps)
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2008 Newmar All Star 4155 Cycle Hauler Edition, Everett WA - 110910560 - RVTrader.com


A 4257 (rear door/lift)
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2008 Newmar All Star 4257 Toy Hauler, Garfield MN - 111233452 - RVTrader.com
Sorry no picture of the garage/lift open

Anyone out there with experiences -

Dave (resident AllStar expert) is always welcome to add more
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Four Winds Funmover 34Y

I found an ad (sold) for a Four Winds (now TMC) that was exported to the UK...lots of pictures. I guess not every RV in England is Sprinter/Transit van based.
Four Winds 2008 Funmover 34Y Motorhome (Toy Hauler 34')

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Just To Avoid Confusion...so many OUTLAWS

TMC has been very busy. The "Outlaw" model is almost becoming a "Brand" with the addition of 2 new models...a traditional Class C and a "Super C"

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These new models are on the OutlawRV website:
2014 Outlaw Toy Hauler Motorhomes: Gas & Diesel, Class A & C RVs
And TMC seems to have done a pretty good job of merging information.

This does not mark any impact on the Class A Toy Haulers.
2014 Outlaw Class A Toy Haulers: Class C Motorhomes by Thor Motor Coach

IMHO, it only reflects how hot the segment is
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Newmar 3921

Still looking for anyone to post about their Newmar Canyon Star Toy Hauler...

Until then, here's 2 good shots of the massive Full Wall Slide in the 3921:
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You can see how much floor space this opens up

From a sales ad here: 2014 Newmar Canyon Star 3921 Class A Gas Venice, FL Specs

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