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Old 07-09-2014, 10:23 AM   #351
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My first toy hauler was a Class C Four Winds Fun Mover. It had that exact arrangement to get you up and through a hatch on the roof. Look close enough and you can see the edge of the molding on the roof.
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Old 07-09-2014, 10:24 AM   #352
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The floor plan is very similar to the Damon Outlaw 3808 but the garage is smaller.
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Old 07-09-2014, 08:10 PM   #353
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Confused!!!

Over the past two weeks, I have viewed/test driven both the Thor 37ls and the CS 3920. I love, love, love both...but wish they could combine the best of each into a melded perfect RV.

As to the 37ls, I love the storage space. I love the lower pricing in the 37ls. I've communicated with many about the loft sleeping area and all are positive regardless of age. I hate limited gen power. I love the patio option with the ramp!!!! I am leery becuz of the negative posts on forums citing problems with their rigs.

I love the quality wood working, the underbed storage, medicine cabinet, water filtration system, central vac, the 7000 watt gen, the icemaker (in freezer) in the CS, the adjustable bed. But are these things worth the additional cost???

What to do? What to do?? I have several months to figure all this out as I press on to retirement and selling my sticks and bricks home and "stuff". Please share your experiences/knowledge/wisdom. There is no liability involved...I know that everyone has an opinion...just looking for perspectives.

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Old 07-09-2014, 08:25 PM   #354
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Dawn,

WOW!! You really know what you want so you are ahead of many who are shopping for a RV.

And you really hit the high points. The decision will be yours and yours alone.

But, you skipped over the first big decision point...

Bedroom or no bedroom?;
The 37LS will not give you a bedroom. If you say YES to the bedroom, then you should include a look at the Outlaw 37MD with the 2 Canyon Stars.
See: http://outlawrv.com/class-a/floorplans.php

I don't know what you need a 7,000watt gennie for, but that's another one of the many choices.

So many choices!
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I don't know what you need a 7,000watt gennie for, but that's another one of the many choices.
I am also wondering what you will need a gennie that is larger then 5KW? Do you have any special equipment that will require the extra 2KW?
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Old 07-10-2014, 04:47 AM   #356
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I am also wondering what you will need a gennie that is larger then 5KW? Do you have any special equipment that will require the extra 2KW?
I don't know either...but the Diesels came with a 6 KW and I know I could run everything in the world on my gennie if the mood struck me.
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Hi Dawn,

I just made that decision! Went with the Canyon Star. I wanted the bedroom, and yes, felt the quality was quite a bit higher after talking to owners. I found a New 2013 locally too, and as I'm a newbie, this was important.
I would have preferred used but this was close in price since the 2015's are coming in.

But it has not been without significant problems! Rather disappointed in Newmar for putting out a coach with major electrical problems. Our first trip was a near disaster as it was hot and I show dogs. I should have listened to my spidey senses when the coach was dead when we went for our walk-thru & pickup. Silly me thought if there was a major issue with it, the dealer would have found it!

It went back to the dealer the day after I got home and I just picked it up yesterday - a month later.

I was expecting stupid things, like the cabinet door hinge breaking within 10 minutes, but not having the batteries die an hour into the drive to the show (stopped for gas, no steps, no nothing not even the generator!). Dealer was on the way so we stopped and spent an hour dead until they jumped the genny.

So the jury is still out, but the interior finish work and livability is exactly what I wanted. It's easy to drive, not even that bad to back up (I back down an alley into my driveway lol). Steering is a little loose, but it handles wind and big rigs pretty well.

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I am also wondering what you will need a gennie that is larger then 5KW? Do you have any special equipment that will require the extra 2KW?
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I don't know either...but the Diesels came with a 6 KW and I know I could run everything in the world on my gennie if the mood struck me.
I think they have the 7KW to run all three air conditioners. We will probably never use the one in the garage so it's overkill for us but better to have too much then not enough.

On our walk thru they said that 30A service was plenty to run the coach and we should only need 50A if we planned to run all 3 air conditioners.
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Hi Dawn,

I just made that decision! Went with the Canyon Star. I wanted the bedroom, and yes, felt the quality was quite a bit higher after talking to owners. I found a New 2013 locally too, and as I'm a newbie, this was important.
I would have preferred used but this was close in price since the 2015's are coming in.

But it has not been without significant problems! Rather disappointed in Newmar for putting out a coach with major electrical problems. Our first trip was a near disaster as it was hot and I show dogs. I should have listened to my spidey senses when the coach was dead when we went for our walk-thru & pickup. Silly me thought if there was a major issue with it, the dealer would have found it!

It went back to the dealer the day after I got home and I just picked it up yesterday - a month later.

I was expecting stupid things, like the cabinet door hinge breaking within 10 minutes, but not having the batteries die an hour into the drive to the show (stopped for gas, no steps, no nothing not even the generator!). Dealer was on the way so we stopped and spent an hour dead until they jumped the genny.

So the jury is still out, but the interior finish work and livability is exactly what I wanted. It's easy to drive, not even that bad to back up (I back down an alley into my driveway lol). Steering is a little loose, but it handles wind and big rigs pretty well.

Good luck!
Sorry for your initial problems. Ours has been 100% so far, except for two user induced problems. The first being our slides not retracting on our first morning but due to the car being hooked up with a charge cable, it looks like the ignition is on so simple to unplug the car and run the slides in.

The 2nd issue was a storage drawer under the nook that wouldn't latch. Again my fault, for deciding we didn't need those seat belts so lifted the seat and dropped them in the well, which jammed the drawer latch, simple fix to lay the seat belts beside the drawer.

Sounds like your dealer didn't do a proper prep of your coach.
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Thanks AGAIN!!!

Thanks again to everyone for their input, experience and wisdom. This weekend, I again toured the Thor 37ls and CS 3920 (as well as exploring shorter models with the option of towing).

After initialing leaning toward the 37ls because of pricing and usable living space, now I am really intrigued by the option of customizing my rig (available with the Newmar unit). The loft area on the 37ls seems shallower every time I crawl up there to give it a test run.

I have an appointment with a Newmar dealer next Saturday to tour again and list my do/do not need or want list and get some pricing options if I choose to have a custom build (don't need beds/AC/entertainment in garage...don't need tv/stereo exteriorly...do need pre-wiring for solar). If they are in line with what is currently in inventory on most lots...I will probably go with a CS...model dependent on them convincing me appliances will be ok on a slideout.

p.s....feel free to comment further
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More is better...right???

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I am also wondering what you will need a gennie that is larger then 5KW? Do you have any special equipment that will require the extra 2KW?
Of course, I know more than 5KW is not necessary in most cases, but I am preparing myself to be able to boondock as much as possible. Looking at solar options as well. The extra wattage on the genie doesn't come at that much of a bigger price tag given the other bennies on this rig so why not?? If you have the "why not" that I have not considered, please share...I appreciate the wisdom of those who have gone before me very much.
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In electronics, Bigger is not always Better...A 7KW generator will come at several prices:
-Initial expense will be higher.
-Operating costs and maint costs will be higher (bigger engine) especially the hours per gallon of gas for the larger engine.
-The extra weight will impact the MPG and will reduce the OCCC.

But this is all academic because Newmar uses a 7KW as standard equipment -I think.

The logic is not known to me...you don't need 7KW for the 3 AirCon's. The new Outlaws have 3 AirCon's running on the 5.5KW and I have used both rooftops and the portable in the garage with our 5.5KW.

A 7KW generator would be very useful in an all electric coach (i.e. Residential fridge, Electric cooktop, heat pump, etc) where these things do not have the option of running on propane.

But, it's all about choices

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All this talk about generator sizes. But think about this.

I have an 8KW generator in my Fleetwood and love it.
I do a lot of Off Roading with my 4 wheel drive rigs and rock crawler buggys.
Sometimes they break. So I have a Welder and power tools in the basement to keep them going.
Slide out a few fiber boards to lay on, pull the rigs under the Awning, start welding and I'm the Hero of the day!

And I live in the Country and power goes out a lot, so I wired my Coach Generator to where I can power my house off it too! Has come in handy about 3 times in 8 years. I also have a back up generator in the garage so it was just a matter of making an output on the Coach Generator to plug in, in place of the House Generator. Should it go down on my too!

And then there was that time we were boondocking and my Co Worker and her Husband parked next to us and their generator went down on a really hot day. She was fighing Cancer at the time and needed her A.C. So I ran my genny and kept both of us cool.

I'm not ready for the Rocking Chair just yet.
But I am retired.
But, that's just me.
Your experiences may differ.
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Run power to two RV's, feed power to the house, do some recreational welding...all good reasons to have a really big generator.

This really illustrates what we have been talking about.
Thanks!
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