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Old 08-28-2014, 09:42 PM   #435
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Please let me know how it goes with you. I won't be picking it up for a few weeks being as I need to get my hubby to the doc then settled into a nursing home.

I'd be very happy to get all the pointers I can get.
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Old 08-29-2014, 05:15 PM   #436
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Is $118,000 a good price for a 2015 Outlaw 37LS with the drop down bed in front and the seats/bed in the back? It's a much lower price than the first dealership I went to, but does that make it a reasonable price?

I hope we're allowed to ask this on the forum. If not, apologies in advance.
OH WOW ! What a difference between Canada and USA.
2014 37LS = $135,000.00 and I was hoping to talk down to $115,000.00
2015 37MD = $175,000.00

so please do share where you can get a 37LS for cheaper than $118,000.00 who knows I might be able to get one sooner than I planned !!
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Old 08-29-2014, 11:16 PM   #437
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I got mine at Motor Home Specialists in TX. People all over the world buy from them. If you check them out and buy from them, mention my name! Their regular price was $135,000 more or less. They gave me some dealer incentives on top of that. The lowest price I could find besides them was $150,000 more or less. I got a 2015 for what they are selling 2014's for.
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Old 08-30-2014, 02:45 PM   #438
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I've had some quality control issues with my Thor Outlaw, but Motorhome Specialists (MHSRV) was good to work with. I stayed in their delivery park for 4 days working every system possible. I found one big thing (bathroom sink and shower drains were not hooked up!), one medium thing (black water backflow limiter was on backwards!) and several small things. A couple of other big issues occurred on my way home (Missing set screw on one of the slide motors caused it to bounce out of it's mount so only one side worked - I was able to fix it on my own but many would have been stuck waiting for repairman; and top of windshield separated from the front cap leaving a huge (1/2") gap - still working with Thor on the resolution. Using duct tape to seal it for now. Yes, duct tape. Looks really pro.).

These are not issues for MHSRV, and MHSRV fixed everything I found while there. My biggest issue was that they did not find some things that I thought were obvious (basically the drains).

A couple things to check:
1) Verify the mud flap is installed properly and TIGHTLY! This is done at the dealer, and mine was not tight enough. On the final leg of my trip, one side fell off and I drug it for up to 80 miles. My wife followed me the whole way back to AZ except this final leg... Make them use blue Loc-Tite and nylock nuts. Don't accept 'No' for an answer. The double nuts to lock it on aren't good enough. And yes, I said 'double nuts'.

2) Put both steps out using the 'steps' switch and turn on the ignition so they retract at the same time. You don't have to actually start the engine. Do this many times to see if the fuse blows. Ours did after two times and it turned out the fuse was not installed properly. They fixed it and installed a resetting fuse so if it does blow, it will automatically reset itself after a short period.

3) Exercise the leveling jacks and slide many times. Like 5 times a day. Use the buttons and the remote. Exercise the awning too, if you can. We didn't have room to put it all the way out but we could extend it 5 feet or so.

4) Make sure they VISUALLY VERIFY that the set screws are installed for both slide motors. Maybe even ask them to show you how to remove them and put them back, in case you have any issues. Schwintek has a video on YouTube (http://youtu.be/ymt1Uesf0Pc) but being shown in person is probably better and then you can see that the set screws are there. Yes, this p'd me off.

5) During the hottest part of the day, turn on the generator, let it run for a few minutes, then turn on all 3 AC's (one at a time as the starting load is a lot). Let all 3 AC's run for hours on the generator. I mean, 5 hours or more. In the heat. It SHOULD be able to handle it.

6) Use the gray and black water drains. Fill the tanks with plain old water if you need to. Drain the like you normally would, then use the black water flush to make sure it works. I would have been at a loss if I hadn't tried to use it there.

7) Make sure the subwoofer works. Mine had a blown fuse.

8) Make sure you have all of the keys. They did not give me the key for the TV cabinet and we ended up staying an extra night to get it (they had all left for the day). Nothing says 'Free TV' like an unlocked TV cabinet.

9) Ask them to seal the marker lights. They know they can leak. Tell them to check the windshield while they are up there. Granted, the locks aren't anything special but they are still locks. 'It keeps the honest people honest' as my dad used to say.

On top of all this, use one of the PDI checklists that are freely downloadable on the internet.

Good luck! I WANT to love my Outlaw and I think after the windshield is fixed I will. Until then, I guess I just 'really like it a lot'.
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Old 08-30-2014, 03:02 PM   #439
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Oh yes - rumor is you can buy an Outlaw from a place right down the street from the factory for the same price as MHSRV. If you can arrange to pick it up, then take it directly to the factory to get anything fixed. Be sure to schedule plenty of time in advance!
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Old 08-30-2014, 03:31 PM   #440
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I got mine at Motor Home Specialists in TX. People all over the world buy from them. If you check them out and buy from them, mention my name! Their regular price was $135,000 more or less. They gave me some dealer incentives on top of that. The lowest price I could find besides them was $150,000 more or less. I got a 2015 for what they are selling 2014's for.
Joy thanks for responding… however my mathematically skilled co-workers figured out with exchange and then taxes… I would be better off
buying Canadian and trying to get it for under $130,000.00 soooooo
while you are getting a phenomenal deal… for me I better keep saving..

To everyone on here.. I will be looking to buy your used Thor Outlaw 37LS's
in 2016… so please fix all the bugs for me
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Old 08-30-2014, 03:38 PM   #441
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I got mine at Motor Home Specialists in TX. People all over the world buy from them. If you check them out and buy from them, mention my name! Their regular price was $135,000 more or less. They gave me some dealer incentives on top of that. The lowest price I could find besides them was $150,000 more or less. I got a 2015 for what they are selling 2014's for.
Mines been on consignment at MHSRV, and ViCap sold hers thru the same place earlier this year. Although both of our FRED's are/were different than the new model floor plans, I can say that, on mine at least, the MHS staff have been pretty good about communicating with me when questions have come up from potential customers. Unfortunately (or not depending on where you stand) most people have gone with the new models and price from them. They've pushed a lot of new models thru in the 90 days mine has been there. Yeah, I don't have the same experience from the MHS people as buying a new one, but they do come across as pretty customer oriented. I'll bet your experience is pretty good as long as you check things out pretty closely.

Best of luck!!!
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Sounds like a GREAT price to me & all the research I have done (last two months looking for Outlaw 3808) 12' garage, VERY DIFFICULT to find but it's only been two months.
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Sounds like a GREAT price to me & all the research I have done (last two months looking for Outlaw 3808) 12' garage, VERY DIFFICULT to find but it's only been two months.
Did you see this one in IL?
2009 Damon Outlaw 3808, Columbia IL - 112496584 - RVTrader.com

Or this one in AZ:
http://www.utraderv.com/UT2712AD_200...12-garage.html

I don't know prices for these because of how rare the 3808 (and the Diesel) are...and with used 3611's going for considerably less and new 37LS and 37MD's going for around $118K, it's a hard sell at those price points...
BUT they have the 12' garage (and 27,000GVWR in the Diesel!).

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Did you see this one in IL?
2009 Damon Outlaw 3808, Columbia IL - 112496584 - RVTrader.com

Or this one in AZ:
2009 Damon Outlaw Scorpion 3808 12' Garage - Free RV classifieds, used rvs, rv classes, motorhomes, travel trailers, 5th wheel, rvs for sale

I don't know prices for these because of how rare the 3808 (and the Diesel) are...and with used 3611's going for considerably less and new 37LS and 37MD's going for $118K, it's a hard sell at those price points...
BUT they have the 12' garage (and 27,000GVWR in the Diesel!).

Best luck
Prices? The age old question. Because the FRED's were made in such low numbers - both the 3808 and the 3612 - Damon did not meet the criteria for them to meet the minimum number to be included in the infamous blue or black books. However, the loan companies DO have the values listed and as you talk to them they can give you some good, and for the most part, accurate information on value if you explain the features and options (generator size, weight limit increase, larger garage, ect). I can't speak for ViCap since she had a newer year than mine, but the 3612 model in 2009 was recently valued at $113 (k) by two different finance companies. Now now, I know. And I didn't use that number anymore that ViCap did. The last four models I know of that have sold during this year, including mine and ViCap's went for a high of $109k in RI and Vi and I tied for high figures in the high $80's. In MHO if you can find one, low mileage, clean, with no decal peeling problems, and decent tires (the big three ticket items on the older bodies) in the high $80's to mid $90's snatch it up and make everyone jealous.

At the risk of being a PITA to my fellow Outlaws, there's an argument to be made that you can let a dealer use the blue book or black book for a "similar" 3611 model, gas, and play dumb. Frankly (I can hear the howls of outrage building), the values will be lower. You might be able to make that work for you and to your advantage for a real sale. Just saying'

But, that's just me.
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With all the Outlaw-centric posts recently, I want to bring us back to the more generic theme of this Thread (which made it a Sticky in the first place)

There is the beautiful Newmar Canyon Star 3920 and 3921 (with that awesom full wall slide).
Any Newmar owners want to share about the upgrades or price point available?

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Did you see this one in IL?
2009 Damon Outlaw 3808, Columbia IL - 112496584 - RVTrader.com

Or this one in AZ:
2009 Damon Outlaw Scorpion 3808 12' Garage - Free RV classifieds, used rvs, rv classes, motorhomes, travel trailers, 5th wheel, rvs for sale

I don't know prices for these because of how rare the 3808 (and the Diesel) are...and with used 3611's going for considerably less and new 37LS and 37MD's going for around $118K, it's a hard sell at those price points...
BUT they have the 12' garage (and 27,000GVWR in the Diesel!).

Best luck
Yes, the AZ add is old/sold & Illinois ad never responded three times. Thank you for the search results/tips.
Canyon star doesn't have a 12' garage. Checking the fun movers or modifying (extending garage) of a more available unit.
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With all the Outlaw-centric posts recently, I want to bring us back to the more generic theme of this Thread (which made it a Sticky in the first place)

There is the beautiful Newmar Canyon Star 3920 and 3921 (with that awesom full wall slide).
Any Newmar owners want to share about the upgrades or price point available?

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We bought ours in Canada, you do not want to know what our price point is. You guys have nothing to complain about in the US with regards to the prices of things; cars, motorcycles, motorhomes, insurance. Your prices are typically 25-30% less than we can ever hope to see on all of the above, and even cheaper (more like 50-60%) in a lot of places like Australia, Japan etc. I can tell you we paid $20,000 in taxes just to register our Canyon Star plus a luxury tax on top of that.

But I guess that's the price we pay to live here...



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