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Old 10-08-2015, 06:56 AM   #1
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Coach Level: HWH vs PowerGear

I just finished replacing my PowerGear Hydraulic pump, motor, and solenoid assembly ($600) on my 2012 Discovery 36J. i previously owned a 2001 Journey 36DL with HWH leveling. After 10 years I had to replace the right rear jack/spring assembly on the HWH. I am a fairly knowledgeable mechanic. WHAT A DIFFERENCE!! The HWH was well made, sturdy, and lasted a long time and you could call the HWH factory and get it repaired and get advice! The PowerGear system (10 years newer) was made as cheap as possible (the gears are way too thin, among other things) and the factory would not begin to talk to you about repairs. PowerGear only wants you to read their bulletins and tip sheets. The Power gear warranty states under no circumstances should one pressure wash the pump yet allows Fleetwood-ARG to mount the unit right behind the right dual wheels where all road spray washes the unit and fleetwood does not even attempt to provide some sort of shield to protect the unit from tire/road spray. Next time I look for a different class A, HWH will be on my list and a PowerGear unit will be on my avoid list!! Don't know if they are a lot cheaper for the manufacturer to buy or not. Don Weaver 2012 36J Discovery (otherwise a pretty good coach)
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I have to wonder how much of the difference is Powergear vs HWH and how much is due to 10 years of cheapened materials to sell to a price point? I have no idea but I have seen that problem in almost everything one buys today.
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I have to wonder how much of the difference is Powergear vs HWH and how much is due to 10 years of cheapened materials to sell to a price point? I have no idea but I have seen that problem in almost everything one buys today.
Very true especially in RV's. so many problems because of price point in the newer ones and the quality built ones are no better at twice the price.
Just my 02 cents worth.
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We've never had anything but HWH units so I guess we've missed all the "fun" of owning other levelers! And I've never needed even one repair on any of them although I did get a replacement rubber hose due to the hammering noise. The rubber one replace a metal one and quieted it down.
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We've never had anything but HWH units so I guess we've missed all the "fun" of owning other levelers! And I've never needed even one repair on any of them although I did get a replacement rubber hose due to the hammering noise. The rubber one replace a metal one and quieted it down.
I don't think anything has been proven here. My Power Gear levelers are 18 years old and haven't given me a moments trouble.

BTW - They stay extended all winter to keep the coach level and have never failed to retract for the season and operate perfectly.
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I don't think anything has been proven here. My Power Gear levelers are 18 years old and haven't given me a moments trouble.

BTW - They stay extended all winter to keep the coach level and have never failed to retract for the season and operate perfectly.
Thanks for the comment: Maybe PowerGear systems were built much better 18 years ago. I am just saying newer PowerGear and older HWH were built much differently. Just trying to get to the truth. I don't have the assets to prove that like Consumer's Reports does, I need to rely on the experience of 100's of users on this blog.
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We've owned two coaches with Power Gear hydraulic jacks and had no issues. The last one was a 2002 model, though.

I don't think your experience is typical. I seldom see quality complaints about Power Gear jack systems on this and other forums. Sometimes see cases of low fluid and lack of lubrication on the rams, but rarely other sorts of problems.

My current coach has Equalizer jacks, another good quality system.
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To me it's like a Chevy/Fort issues. Both will do the job.
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Power gear sucks period.
Had it in my Goof Stream. Replaced the motor, had to replace every hyd line in the rig do to them breaking down with big bubbles in them.
Now have HWH I can say it's build much better.
I'll never own anything with Power Crap.
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The problem was probably due to Gulfstream using cheap hydraulic lines.
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