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Old 09-21-2016, 09:14 AM   #15
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I would not just throw money at the RV and hope for the best. Alignment first, with the correct tire pressure(check the age of the rears not how much rubber left). The shocks might be good to inspect and maybe replace considering the age of the RV. HAVE all the existing bushings checked, rear spring bushings as well. The Safe-T-Plus is a good addition for blowout Safty and will help tracking anytime.
At this point I would drive the RV and see improvement. Then if addition is needed consider more ride improvement add ons.
As to alignment toe in, camber and caster has more to do with weight than anything else and on the work horse I have not heard of add more of anything but Ford is a different story.
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Old 09-21-2016, 09:16 AM   #16
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I agree that the driver may be getting tired. It is important to remember that there are many parts that can ware or age out and need replacing on an 8 year old vehicle but inspection first is called for.
I see no reason to pay for alignment before parts are installed unless you simply want to give the shop more $.
Before and after MIGHT be of value if you were just comparing alignment specs vs vehicle handling but not if doing a number of mechanical changes.
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Old 09-22-2016, 02:24 PM   #17
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Huge Thanks, Great Site!

To all responders, your a perfect example that I can show my kids that experience counts for something.

W22 Chassis
I have driven many big rigs, and when I was driving this one I felt like I was back in the late eighties. As mentioned it was all over the road. Strange as this may sound the front does not have a sway bar on it and neither does the rear. these are the first items I will be installing, as well as shocks. I will have everything checked by the truck place and get any worn items repaired. ( Scheduled for next week) The safe-T bar install after the alignment make perfect sense. I am fortunate enough to actually own a portable scale so tire weight will be a fun exercise.
someone mentioned all the fun I will be missing if I did everything at once, I am actually having fun, These RV's are Like Harley Davidson's, after you buy it you add all kinds of accessories to them, when are we going to learn.

Any thoughts on the comment I posted -- I was also told that instead of the factory Caster, the alignment should be set to 6 to 6.5 degrees instead.

Thanks to everyone again.
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Old 10-05-2016, 08:01 AM   #18
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HI All,
An update on where I am, I installed the following products below as mentioned earlier in my posts and test drove the RV after each product was installed .

Koni 8805-1001 - Workhorse W-Series Front (01-Current)
I test drove the RV after installing the front shocks - Small noticeable difference.



Koni 8805-1003 - Workhorse W-Series Rear (01-04)
I test drove the RV after installing the rear shocks - very noticeable difference.



41-230 - Blue Safe-T-Plus Unit
The brackets are installed but the shock is not since I have not had the RV aligned yet.

W104K1.5 - Safe-T-Plus Mounting Bracket Kit.
Installed

1259-106 - Front Anti-Sway Bar and Front Trac Bar Combo Workhorse W20/22/24 (01-Current)
WOW these two really made a difference, the RV felt like it was really sticking to the road, it was windy when I test drove it and I purposely passed several tractor trailers. I was going to do the rears on another day but got very excited and went back and installed them that night.


1259-109 - 1-3/4" Rear Anti-sway Bar For Workhorse W20/22/24 (01-current)
SS302 Workhorse W20/w22/w24 Supersteer Rear Trac Bar
I think I am driving a different RV, When I first picked this RV up and drove it home for 7 hours I was really questioning my purchase, After installing all of these parts with the exception of the super steer I took it for a 4 hour round trip and boy what an unbelievable difference, it was a dream to drive.


My wife surprised me with a gift for all my hard work, she purchased a portable digital 10 ton scale for me so I can weigh my tires anytime I want.




I want to thank everyone on this great site for your feedback and also the folks at UltraRVproducts.com


Thanks again, I'm off to working on the ONAN genset issue now.


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Old 10-06-2016, 06:28 AM   #19
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An update on where I am, I installed the following products below as mentioned earlier in my posts and test drove the RV after each product was installed .

My wife surprised me with a gift for all my hard work, she purchased a portable digital 10 ton scale for me so I can weigh my tires anytime I want.
Thanks again, I'm off to working on the ONAN genset issue now.
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Glad to hear the update and that you are enjoying your RV, safe travels
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Congrats on your mod's!

While it is a done deal, and for sure nothing you have done should hurt handling, and should improve it all around. And of course, if you are setting this rig up for a long term ownership - for sure go spend you money how you want, and enjoy the ride!

But for others reading this, with the exception of replacing worn out items, and the Safety-T-Plus (I consider both of these safety related items. Safety-T-Plus for incase of tire blow outs, and worn parts just need replacing!), the rest of these kinds of modifications can be done incrementally over a period of time.

Say do the shocks, then go drive it for a few trips. Want more improvements in handling? Then add another set of components. Go drive it, and if OK on handling - no reason to go spend more money!

When making these kinds of mods all at the same time, you may be adding more then is needed to get the handling to where you want it to be.

And finally OP, note the earlier recommendation to check bushings and rubber suspension components. The new sway bars I'm sure came with their own new components. But existing components are also worth checking. No as familiar with the W22 as I was the F53, but many of mine were rubber. So a change of rubber comments over to urethane also made a difference, especially in tightening up the steering.

And all of that being said. I admit I did the exact same thing you did, except for the F53 related components, vs the W22. And did not practice what I preached about doing them in incremental changes. My wife was not sure she was going to like this thing called RV'ing. And our first casual three hour drive thru our local back mountains, had her very frightened by that experience. (She always felt the coach was about to tip over, and hated (Still does today too.) being on the outside edge of curves with drop off's below. We were also tossed around by the wind, and trucks would push us to one side when they came up behind us, and they suck as back in the other way as they finished passing us. SHE WAS NOT A HAPPY CAMPER WHEN WE CAME HOME FROM THAT DRIVE! And heck, it was jut a drive, we'd never even been camping in it yet. This was a used coach, and had parts that were in need of replacement. Knew this when we bought it, and priced our offer accordingly.

So due to the wife being so frightened, I made it my mission to make that coach handle as well as possible. So made the equivalent upgrades that you did, but for the F53. And all at the same time. And yes, I had had my four corner weights, and tire PSI set accordingly.

The one other thing I added, and about a year after the first series of mods, was my least expensive handling mod. I added Air Tabs. They really helped the handling in shifting cross wind conditions, and also greatly further reduced (The handling mods had helped.) the impact of trucks passing. A bonus was the back of the coach, and toad were cleaner at the end of a days drive. And in rain, the rear camera on our coach (T28 Bounder) did not get as many rain drops blocking the view.

Again, congrats on you mods, and hope you enjoy them!!!

Best to you, and all,
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My wife surprised me with a gift for all my hard work, she purchased a portable digital 10 ton scale for me so I can weigh my tires anytime I want.
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To ensure most "bang for the buck" from the investment on the scale I would suggest you find a local location that is very level. Borrow a 6' level if possible, and be sure to consider the height/thickness of the scale to get a good baseline check. Bet a little dot of spray paint would make it easy for you to find the exact location again and would probably not be noticed if you stay away from bright colors.
You might use a 20x12 piece of plywood to help get the axle you are measuring level. While an inch or so out of level on the track width of the RV may not be much, if you are going to the effort of doing the measurement might as well be reasonably accurate.

Let me know if you need links to tire Load/Inflation tables for your brand/size tires.
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To ensure most "bang for the buck" from the investment on the scale I would suggest you find a local location that is very level. Borrow a 6' level if possible, and be sure to consider the height/thickness of the scale to get a good baseline check. Bet a little dot of spray paint would make it easy for you to find the exact location again and would probably not be noticed if you stay away from bright colors.
You might use a 20x12 piece of plywood to help get the axle you are measuring level. While an inch or so out of level on the track width of the RV may not be much, if you are going to the effort of doing the measurement might as well be reasonably accurate.

Let me know if you need links to tire Load/Inflation tables for your brand/size tires.
Thanks , I already created a "fake" scale that is the exact dimensions as the real scale so I drive on the real one and the fake ones all at the same time. I would like a link to determine my tire pressure and stuff if you have one available , that would be great.


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Thanks , I already created a "fake" scale that is the exact dimensions as the real scale so I drive on the real one and the fake ones all at the same time. I would like a link to determine my tire pressure and stuff if you have one available , that would be great.


Thanks again
i have a post on my RV Tire Blog with links to many tire companies. let me know if you can't find the info you need.

You might also take a look and some of the other psots on tires in RV application.
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My wife surprised me with a gift for all my hard work, she purchased a portable digital 10 ton scale for me so I can weigh my tires anytime I want.
know how you are going to get beer money,,,, set up shop every park you stop in an charge a beer per corner weight...
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