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Old 07-15-2016, 10:26 PM   #1
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Confused - Who makes quality Coaches???

I have read so many threads about lack of quality I am wondering who really makes reliable, quality class A motorhomes? Most if all look great, but what is most important is what you cannot see. Quality. Reliability. Driveability. Who makes an affordable, well built quality coach? Anyone? Nobody? Please give us your opinion.

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Old 07-15-2016, 10:34 PM   #2
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Of those still in production: Newmar, Entegra, American, Foretravel, Newell, and of course Prevost conversions. Others will soon chime in with their favorites too.

Out of business, but may come back: Country Coach (now owned by Winnebago and we hope they bring back the original quality but I have my doubts!).

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Old 07-15-2016, 10:43 PM   #3
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Hard question to answer.
Many kinds of "coach owners", some are picky, some are anal (thats me), and some don't really get into the construction of their coach.

My feeling is there are two aspects.

Quality of materials - this is where the coach costs less becasue they use lower cost material. I looked at a Forest River, and notices the cabinets had a lot of 1/4" panels. Looked at my tiffin and everything was 1/2".

Quality of construction- regardless of cheap or expensive materials, a right and wrong way to build something.
I have found several examples on my coach where the assembly line person either did not care or did not know how to do it right. but many of these things can't be seen once it is put together.

Look at the mirror heat switch, I had to replace it because the bulb was burned out. I am an electronics guy, and this really got my goat.
Second picture is the outlet in the basement where the vacuum is plugged in. It is hanging in mid-air

The breaker panel has a plastic cover held by two screws. When I went to check that the breaker terminals were tight, I found that one screw was broken off, and to fix it, they drilled a hole through the plastic panel and put in a wood screw into the plywood.


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Old 07-15-2016, 10:51 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by Mr_D View Post
Of those still in production: Newmar, Entegra, American, Foretravel, Newell, and of course Prevost conversions. Others will soon chime in with their favorites too.
Those still in production Class A's would certainly be in the Top Tier. The next level might include Tiffin and perhaps Winnebago/Itasca. After that, the waters get muddy for me.
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Winnebago and Newmar are the two I am looking at for quality construction and good value. They have good gas and diesel lines.
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Old 07-16-2016, 04:26 AM   #6
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Winnebago and Newmar are the two I am looking at for quality construction and good value. They have good gas and diesel lines.
I can tell you from personal experience that you can scratch W off your list if you are looking for quality construction.
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Old 07-16-2016, 04:33 AM   #7
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Who makes an affordable, well built quality coach? Anyone? Nobody? Please give us your opinion.
I am not sure there is one unless your idea of affordable is $600K+.

The way most of these things are throw together is disgraceful. Some with good quality components. But since they all do it, you either live with the junk they blast down the assembly line or pay for something built with pride.
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These really are unfortunate times. Finding individuals who have a good work ethic is not an easy task and that's exactly what all work places are suffering with. We the consumer are taking the brunt of that shortage.

Kids are not taught to give a man 8 hours of work for 8 hours of pay. If they lean those qualities they are probably already working at a good job. Is there an answer??? Well not a good one.

We bought a WBGO in 2013. We toured the factory and while the coach was not perfect it was good enough. I can fix most anything so I'll accept the fact that not everything was done perfectly. What else can a person do. Price is not a guarantee that you will get good quality.

As we toured the factory we realized that there is still a lot of hand work being done. that means some skills are still being required and used to put these together. Yes some advanced machines are cutting out material for upholstery and wooden panels are laser or water jet cut but that's for precision.

Tour the factory of a coach line that you line. Closely inspect the fit and finish as well as the quality of materials used. When your coach comes in do not accept it if all is not well. As soon as they have your $$$$$$$ you will usually go to the back of the line for repairs. That is not true for all companies but be careful.

One example. WBGO uses a material on their coach seats and couches called a leatherette material. It is faux leather. While we were in Forest City Iowa we met a couple with an 8 year old WBGO. The material on the couches was still in very good condition and it was attractive. Would I like real leather sure but it was not available and I can't afford it either. The faux leather in ours with two pets is still like new. They are both up and down and there are no claw marks.

The wood cabinets are well made and so is all of the sewn material and interior decorations. We have 16,000 + miles on the coach and still happy.

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At one time I felt that coach's of the Entegra line were of the upper group in quality. The more I read the forum the more I hear all these horror stories about them. As to our Winnebago unit, it's been problem free for the 4 years we've owned it.
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Old 07-16-2016, 06:03 AM   #10
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Quality is subjective and like most opinions, replies will be based upon each person's personal experience with their coach. I might also be helpful to clarify if you are looking at new versus used. A number of makes with good reputations are no longer in business or their ownership has changed placing their continued quality in question.

We were looking at buying a used coach and looked at several brands with a good "quality" reputation. In the end, we chose Newmar because of their build reputation, their continued and consistent company ownership and a very good reputation for servicing second owners.
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Old 07-16-2016, 06:15 AM   #11
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The short answer is nobody. The longer answer is that, as mentioned, this is a pretty subjective topic, and I'll add to that, it's not likely going to yield much in any usable info.

Your list of requirements is going to be about compromise....
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One thing you have to realize when looking at all of the horror stories. Most of the posts you will see are of the problems, not too many of the good stories. People will report on what is bad because they are unhappy and want to feel other people feel the same way. When they have no problems, they are happy and much less likely to post something about it. I don't know what the ratio is, but I would bet there are 10 or more happy people for every unhappy poster.

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The title of your thread caught my attention. If your standard is, who makes a coach that will have no post delivery problems, that coach does not exist. Anything from the least expensive popup to the most blinged out Prevost conversion is likely to have something pop up after the purchase. The questions should be, who generally produces the most trouble free coach and who takes the best after the sale care of their customers?

I was recently part of a conversation discussing a gentleman who just bought a new Newell. His last one had just had it's third birthday. When asked why he replaced a coach that was not only beautiful but reportedly had no issues at the time he responded, "just for the peace of mind". Newell apparently has a three year warranty and if some warranty issue pops up they will fly techs to your location, wherever that may be, to fix it. If parts are needed those are overnighted to the techs who will stay as long as it takes to resolve the problem.

Bottom line, even spending millions won't guarantee a problem free coach, but some manufacturers do have a reputation for having fewer issues, in general, and better than average after the sale service. I'd agree with Newmar and Entegra, we were also very happy with the factory service we got on our old American Coach, and obviously if you can afford a couple of million...
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What's quality to one person is junk to the next. We are in our third Tiffin. We have an excellent dealer 45 miles away that can handle anything that the factory can, so no wasted trips to Red Bay to wait in line for service. After the first year with some very minor fixes, we just load it, add fuel and hit the road. On the other side, I have read about people who have had to take their Tiffins back to the factory for numerous repairs. Our sons new 45' Mountain Aire has been back to the Newmar factory three times with 45 items to fix/correct in the last 10 months. They used to have high quality standards. So depending on what you consider "Quality", it's anybody's guess. From what I have seen, I think that the quality of the higher end coaches like Monaco, Country Coach, Navigator, and a couple others manufactured from 1998 to 2008 are all made with better quality materials and workmanship. With one from that timeframe, you might give up some of the modern electronics, but you get a solid well built motorhome from the ground up. Although we are very happy with our 2013 Allegro Bus, if I were in the market for a change, I would look long and hard at ones mentioned.

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