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Old 11-22-2015, 11:11 AM   #29
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Originally Posted by GreyGoose57 View Post
Bruce, very nice coach. I love that long couch...very impressive. Do you cart around a football team or do you just like to stretch out?

Yeah, I have long feet!

What makes it so long looking is there is no table in that pic. There's a lot of seating but it still only sleeps two......when my friends ask!😀

We were impressed with the interior but what sold us was the ride......and ISM has performed well. Pretty good for 16 yrs old.

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Old 11-22-2015, 06:39 PM   #30
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Another vote for Cummins, Ihave 1998 Monaco Windsor with the 8.3, mechanicl fuel injection, side radiator makes checking oil, hyd fluid. fuel filters ect much easier to get to. Bullet proof engine!

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Old 11-22-2015, 08:43 PM   #31
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What would be the reason for choosing a side radiator over a rear one on a DP is one better than the other? I don't have a DP but am curious.

Rear radiator makes it difficult to access engine components like serpentine and fan belts. You generally either have to drain the radiator and remove to replace belts, or go through the bedroom floor panel. Side radiator allows belt replacement in a matter of minutes instead of hours. Changing a belt on a rear radiator rig can cost $400 to $700 just for labor plus the cost of the belts.

One other item is if the "slobber tube" is short like many are from the factory, oil vented out the tube may collect on the radiator, requiring periodic cleaning.

I wasn't specifically shopping for a side radiator when we purchased our used coach, just didn't know the advantages, but our had it, and boy am I glad it does!
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Old 11-22-2015, 09:02 PM   #32
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A win/win between the ISM and Detroit in those years. The CAT C12 also was a proven performer, and by 02 and 03, was very mature.

You mentioned the Foretravel, and that adds in the Retarder transmission into the mix. So if you find Foretravel's interior layout meet your needs - that would give the nod to the ISM. What a great combo!!!

And yeah, the normal input on shop condition, and does it meet your needs livability wise first... All things being equal, go for the largest block engine you can get in the coach that meets your needs.

In the Monaco line, the Signatures had some pretty good sized engines available too...

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Old 11-22-2015, 09:32 PM   #33
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We only have experience with our Cat. After 172,000 miles and counting, it uses no oil, and the only engine related repair was a new water pump this year
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Old 11-22-2015, 09:57 PM   #34
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Something that no one has mentioned about the side radiator. You will lose all the storage compartments on the driver's side behind the rear wheels.

My previous coach had a CAT C7 with rear radiator. I changed out the serpentine belt in less than 15 minutes from the hatch under the bed. That said, with a side radiator, I could probably do in in less than 5 minutes.
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Old 11-23-2015, 06:47 AM   #35
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Something that no one has mentioned about the side radiator. You will lose all the storage compartments on the driver's side behind the rear wheels.

My previous coach had a CAT C7 with rear radiator. I changed out the serpentine belt in less than 15 minutes from the hatch under the bed. That said, with a side radiator, I could probably do in in less than 5 minutes.
Depends which belt(s). I just replaced all of mine. The alternator belt is behind the fan belt. The fan belt requires loosening several bolts and a large bolt that tensions the belt. All in all, very easy and right there in front of you, but not necessarily quick.
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Old 11-23-2015, 08:46 AM   #36
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Some yrs ago that may have been the case. But FL is offering 450 HP rear rad chassis now. HP has nothing to do with rad location. But $$ does.
That makes sense, we're looking at 1998-2004 coaches and I haven't seen a 400 hp coach with a rear radiator in those years.

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