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Old 06-23-2016, 09:11 PM   #1
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"Delivery miles" on a DP?

So I'm buying a Tiffin 40AH. I can go with whichever dealer offers the best price...except...are there any issues with the number/type of break-in miles put on the RV during delivery?

For example, if I buy it in Michigan it's only about 750 miles from Red Bay, and some hilly stuff but nothing too intense.

If I buy it in Missoula, MT then it's 2,000 miles and they have to cross several high mountain passes with steep grades and a very long stretch that will almost certainly have strong headwinds. I assume the delivery folks tow a car?

Is it worth factoring that into the purchasing decision?
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Old 06-23-2016, 09:14 PM   #2
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Our Dutch Star was delivered to us with about 2,200 miles on it. Driver did not tow a car and the tires were set at 120 psi. We did find out that the driver broke the rules and took the rig home over a long weekend so it was a few days late. He also ran it into a tree and damaged the paint on the passenger side. Claimed it was vandalism but the dealer and I agreed that he hit a tree branch and slammed on the brakes which left a curled scrape through the full body paint.
Why would you factor in the mileage or driving it? If you're worried about it see if they do factory delivery and then all the mileage is yours.
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Old 06-23-2016, 09:47 PM   #3
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Why would you factor in the mileage or driving it? If you're worried about it see if they do factory delivery and then all the mileage is yours.
Factoring it in just because I'm completely ignorant of RV chassis and engine characteristics. I don't even know if commercial engines/transmissions even require a break-in period.

My understanding is that Tiffin doesn't do factory delivery, but I only asked one sales guy about it. That would be my preference, to go down to Red Bay and watch the build, then drive it to the dealer to get the accessories installed.

That sucks about them 'borrowing' yours for a side trip. I saw one on a dealer lot that had recently been delivered and clearly someone had slept on the bed during the delivery drive. That would annoy me. Then again, turquoise blue and houses made from "gluten free bricks" annoy me too...
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Old 06-23-2016, 11:29 PM   #4
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Most of the new RV's here AK are driven up from the lower 48 and most have 2500-3500 miles on them by the time they get here. I would hope that the drivers that bring them up take care of the MH's but if one was to see the roads, they would really question that.
I would not be too concerned with delivery miles in the lower 48, but would really look a MH over real good up here.
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Most of the new RV's here AK are driven up from the lower 48 and most have 2500-3500 miles on them by the time they get here. I would hope that the drivers that bring them up take care of the MH's but if one was to see the roads, they would really question that.
I would not be too concerned with delivery miles in the lower 48, but would really look a MH over real good up here.
Wow, never thought of that! Seems like it makes it worthwhile to buy one in the lower 48. Red Bay to Anchorage looks to be ~4,100 miles! Good thing miles don't matter on trade in but I think I'd be concerned about it needing an oil change by the time it got to the dealer.

Then again, anything that's liable to go foop has ample opportunity to do so before the owner takes delivery, so maybe it has some benefit.

Still, if something did go wrong during the long delivery drive you'd always be left wondering was it defective from the factory or did they hire some kid out of high school who stood on the accelerator until it went "boom?"

Did I mention I'm an engineer and tend to over-think things?
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I wouldn't worry about delivery miles. As suggested, one advantage might be that the delivery driver could discover and report any issues so they could be repaired before you took delivery - like the "pop" we had in the front end that turned out to be a hydraulic pump with loose fasteners.

Our last two coaches had roughly 1,000 delivery miles on them when we took delivery. There are other good reasons to consider a factory delivery, if available, the mileage is not one of them in my opinion.
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Engines and transmissions don't need to be broken in these days due to far better and more precise manufacturing than many years ago.
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Engines and transmissions don't need to be broken in these days due to far better and more precise manufacturing than many years ago.
And if I remember correctly, I think every Cummins engine is "run in" on a dyno at the factory.
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Old 06-24-2016, 10:23 AM   #9
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Sherman RV Tiffin Motorhomes Mississippi Allegro Bus for Sale | Sherman RV is located approximately 60 miles from Red Bay. I have read many posts on the Tiffin forum that they are a very reputable dealer who's pricing is hard to beat.

This would be the next best thing to a factory delivery, and in case the coach needs some factory warranty, you're very close to Red Bay.
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most delivery drivers wont report problems to the retail customer about the unit they are delivering. they often wont report them to the dealer either. its their job to get the coach from the mfg to the dealer. thats all. the dealer is expected to be able to handle whatever is wrong with the coach, or decline delivery.
in the thirty years of my working as service manager, and accepting units for delivery, i only had two drivers tell me of drastic problems. im not saying they are dishonest, but they work for the mfg, not the dealer.
thats why it so important for the dealer to inspect the unit with a fine tooth comb. all that bad stuff is covered by the mfg, but only for a short time. like broken windshield, body damage, tires, and the fuel receipt. when a driver delivers a unit he is normally required to put a small amount of fuel in the coach.
i had a driver deliver a small diesel unit; he gave me a receipt, and hurried away. the receipt was from a station that did not sell diesel. now did he put the fuel in his tow car, or the coach? i had to call the mfg to get an answer. what a nightmare. we had to drop the fuel tank and flush it and the lines, because the driver stuck by his story. maybe it was an honest mistake. one incident does not make them all bad. i dont want to paint with a broad brush. but a dealer should do a good inspection. its in his best interest.
btw, the chassis warranty starts when the coach is delivered to the retail purchaser. the starting mileage is noted,
. the coach warranty normally does the same, except for the tires and batteries. sometimes they are not covered by the mfg. and you have to deal with a local center that sells that brand. it pays to ask. before you buy.
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And if I remember correctly, I think every Cummins engine is "run in" on a dyno at the factory.
When I toured the Caterpillar engine plant in IL a few years back, they showed us their engine dyno room and we watched them hook up lube, fuel, and exhaust to the engine being tested on their dyno. They made a big deal about the fact that EVERY Cat engine produced there is run & tested there, and they claimed that is NOT the case with their competitors, who they said only test a sample of engines from each production run.

Several years later I toured the Navistar engine plants in Huntsville, AL and I don't remember seeing a dyno testing facility there.
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It sounds like you are special ordering the Tiffin from the factory. The coach will be finished at Red Bay and one of the Tiffin drivers will drive it to your dealers location. This is how we received our 43' Bus, however, when we bought our first Bus, we bought it from dealers stock. We were "just looking" in Arizona and when the dealership had nothing close to what we were looking for we told them we would be around for 3 or more months so if they got one in that was close, they could call us. We were shopping, but had not made a final decision that we would buy and we took pains to be sure the dealer knew it. Three weeks later the dealer called and said he had what we wanted on the lot. When we got back there, the Bus was close to what we wanted and we agreed to buy it after some hard price negotiations. The coach had about 3000 miles on it but was obviously unused. I asked about the mileage and was told that the coach had been delivered to one of their dealerships on the east coast and driven back to Arizona by one of their drivers on the chance I would purchase it. They said they regularly moved coaches coast to coast for a sale or the chance of a sale.

As long as there is no damage to these rigs in moving them, these coaches suffer no problems if they have a few thousand miles on them prior to delivery. Engines, transmissions, drive trains, and the coach itself are all good for 100,000-200,000 miles or more without breathing hard. One to 3% of the life of a coach is nothing when most brand new coaches are sold or traded with well less than 50,000 miles on them. Make your best deal anywhere in the country and enjoy. Unless you are the 1 in 100,000 people, you won't wear it out.
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Engines and transmissions don't need to be broken in these days due to far better and more precise manufacturing than many years ago.
Having had a couple of recent ('04 and '06) new BMW motorcycles, they do break in...eventually. It isn't until they have 10,000 to 15,000 miles on them that they finally get happy, and there's a significant difference in the amount of power they produce between when they're new and when they're broken in.

Sort of funny really, engines that burn a bit of a oil when they're new but burn almost zero after they're broken. I put 54,000 miles on one and 59,000 miles on the other, neither burned oil except when they were brand new.
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It sounds like you are special ordering the Tiffin from the factory. The coach will be finished at Red Bay and one of the Tiffin drivers will drive it to your dealers location. This is how we received our 43' Bus, however, when we bought our first Bus, we bought it from dealers stock. We were "just looking" in Arizona and when the dealership had nothing close to what we were looking for we told them we would be around for 3 or more months so if they got one in that was close, they could call us. We were shopping, but had not made a final decision that we would buy and we took pains to be sure the dealer knew it. Three weeks later the dealer called and said he had what we wanted on the lot. When we got back there, the Bus was close to what we wanted and we agreed to buy it after some hard price negotiations. The coach had about 3000 miles on it but was obviously unused. I asked about the mileage and was told that the coach had been delivered to one of their dealerships on the east coast and driven back to Arizona by one of their drivers on the chance I would purchase it. They said they regularly moved coaches coast to coast for a sale or the chance of a sale.

As long as there is no damage to these rigs in moving them, these coaches suffer no problems if they have a few thousand miles on them prior to delivery. Engines, transmissions, drive trains, and the coach itself are all good for 100,000-200,000 miles or more without breathing hard. One to 3% of the life of a coach is nothing when most brand new coaches are sold or traded with well less than 50,000 miles on them. Make your best deal anywhere in the country and enjoy. Unless you are the 1 in 100,000 people, you won't wear it out.
So the drivers are Tiffin employees? I got the impression they were just contractors/freelancers but I've never actually asked about it or looked into it.

I did notice that people seem to trade them like playing cards, ever time I talked to the one dealer he was always trying to sell me on something that was a year old and only had like 3,000 to 5,000 miles on it.
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