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Old 01-09-2011, 12:05 PM   #71
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You guys are being a little critical don't you think? I would understand someones individual choice for not excessively idling and engine but how is this anyone else's business?
I agree, we still live in America. And what we do is our own business. I'm free to comment in my own mind and to myself if someone else is being a ridiculous moron.
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Old 01-09-2011, 12:28 PM   #72
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I think it can even get you a $250 ticket in California if I'm not mistaken.

I got a pretty good lecture from a Cummins shop on this topic once and have since made sure that my engine gets 4 or 5 minutes to cool down after being at freeway speeds but then I shut down if I'm going to be stopped.

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Yes you can get an idling ticket in our great, broke,run by liberal politicians, and eco terrorist groups,State of California. They are given out by C.A.R.B.s idling Nazi's
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FWIW, Cummins website defines "extended idling" as 10 minutes or longer. My concern about leaving my engine running while I'm elsewhere is what happens if the oil pressure fails? Priced a new replacement crate diesel engine lately? My Duramax is just over $11,000 for a new crate engine. Hate to think about cost of placing a diesel pusher engine.
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Lose oil pressure ECM will shut it down.

I'd just wack off that DPF muffler and replace it with a Aero Turbo 5050XL for $135.
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There are still a few jug heads out there that believe starting an engine is hard on it; I used to be one of those; then I woke up. Man it's nice;;. In this day most engines will not fire/start until the oil pressure has built up to Opperating pressures , There for there is little or no wear done to the engine opperating parts; But there are some that still think the horse and buggy was a great thing.. Idling engines is to say the least a thing of the past; And is not nessacery on the new engines,, But some may not agree yet they complain about there poor fuel mileage;; Oh well whatever;;; Life is good.
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Here's California's carcin list. Is BOTOX listed?
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Lose oil pressure ECM will shut it down.

I'd just wack off that DPF muffler and replace it with a Aero Turbo 5050XL for $135.
I'm with you, I hacked off the boring quiet muffler,no DPF filter. And did my own thing. It's gotta breath to run.
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There are still a few jug heads out there that believe starting an engine is hard on it; I used to be one of those; then I woke up. Man it's nice;;. In this day most engines will not fire/start until the oil pressure has built up to Opperating pressures , There for there is little or no wear done to the engine opperating parts; But there are some that still think the horse and buggy was a great thing.. Idling engines is to say the least a thing of the past; And is not nessacery on the new engines,, But some may not agree yet they complain about there poor fuel mileage;; Oh well whatever;;; Life is good.
Maybe the idleing guy had the AC going or the heater running.Would it really have made a difference if the generator was running?
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It is interesting to me that the information readout on the dash shows the percentage of time that the coach has been idling. I wonder if that info is ever used in conjunction with an engine warranty issue if it indicates excessive idling?

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Bachler, there is nothing I know of in a motor that prevents them from starting until the oil pressure is up. There is still a moment in time that the motor has started and the oil has yet to be circulated and has not reached all the components such as rod and main bearings and camshaft lobes. If you are starting a motor that has not been sitting for a long time then this is no problem because todays oils leave enough film on those parts to lubricate them during that initial start period. What is really bad is starting a motor that has been sitting around for a long time and all that oil film has drained off the bearing surfaces but you just have to grin and bear it unless you disable the fuel flow and first spin the motor over without it starting until you have oil pressure. The other bad time is in real cold weather with too thick of a viscosity oil and have not preheated the engine. The wait for oil flow can be just too long in this situation.
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I just heard the Garbage Truck outside. I wonder how many idling hours a truck like that would have on them.

Now it's got me thinking.

I just spanked my ISM and it shows 685 total hrs and 245 total idling hours. Man that's a lot.
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So AK what do you do in your MH to have so much idle time. See you are spending a 1/3 of your time sitting pretty and idling. I am sending the California Idle Cops (CIC) to come and visit you.
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Beats me. I don't leave it idling. The ECM keeps track of everything that engine does. It also gives you total fuel used, how many hours in high gear. And the best part. Sudden deceleration. (You know, when you have a bad accident) That way they can tell your speed on impact.
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It is interesting to me that the information readout on the dash shows the percentage of time that the coach has been idling. I wonder if that info is ever used in conjunction with an engine warranty issue if it indicates excessive idling?

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When doing the walk through and PDI on my new coach the dealer specifically warned me about that and assured me that Cummins WOULD look closely at that data and may well void a warranty because of it. Then again, I've never heard from anyone who actually had that happen to them but it was a warning.

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