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12-27-2015, 03:34 PM
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#57
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Senior Member
Winnebago Owners Club Freightliner Owners Club
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: DW Driver - Englewood FL
Posts: 1,448
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Originally Posted by NC25T
30ft Winnie is a class C correct?
If so yes they are a handful to drive. Hot, noisy, poor ride and the list goes on. Totally different driving experience vs a new mid/upper end class A.
My gas A doesn't get blown around, isn't noisy or hot but yes... Can't maintain speeds up hills.
Yearly oil change if I paid a shop to do it $80 with Mobil 1
X Inlaws I asked a few days ago what their service bills are on their discovery, he stated $600-$700 is where it STARTS -
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No - it was a class A. Sightseer 30 has a V10- it causes all kind of heat problems with cables, wire and is noisy. He has been to almost all 48 plus Alaska. Three generators later, various cables for transmission control, drive line brake. several blowouts, trouble with injectors system etc etc
I can not hear my engine or exhaust note unless under a bridge.
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99 36 FL Winne Chieftain 5.9 ISB Turbo Cummins DP, 24' box with HD Sporty Hobby of 1970's Suzuki dirt bike restoration. Visit my blog.
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12-27-2015, 04:37 PM
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#58
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 676
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Gotya
I know when I was shopping I didn't like the ford chassis. I thought it drove worse and was noisier vs the workhorse chassis, this was back in 09... Both 08 fleetwood products that I test drive.
I am planning on getting a diesel pusher next, with some luck this spring/early summer I can get one. Looking at 2005-2008 fleetwood discovery/excursion/expedition....
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12-28-2015, 12:34 PM
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#59
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Senior Member
Winnebago Owners Club Ford Super Duty Owner Carolina Campers
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Murphy, NC, USA
Posts: 1,117
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Hi, I guess I will put in my 2 cents and recommend a gas unit. My reasons follow:
1 - Diesel costs more than gas and you get the same mpg.
2 - Diesel costs more to maintain like $200 for oil change plus there are a few filters that need changing.
3 - A Ford V-10 will climb hills just as good or maybe even better than a diesel if you know how to drive uphills.
4 - Unless you are going to tow a 5000lb vehicle you don't need a diesel for towing.
5 - Diesels do have a better ride except if air bag gets a leak.
6 - If you buy a new Diesel you better drive it for 100K or you won't get your money out of it.
7 - You can get a gas 35 footer in a 24K pound range from Winnebago. It is the Adventurer.
8 - Diesels are a problem in cold weather as the diesel fuel gels.
9 - Diesel duel when sitting too long in tank developes Algae and clogs the fuel system
10- Lastly a lot of the big DP don't fit in a lot of state campgrounds and some others too.
Now all you DPers can get back to me I'm sure however I like my gasser and it does whatever I want and it tows my Ford Escape beautifully on a tow dolly.
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2011 Ford Escape,2000 Roadmaster Tow Dolly
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12-28-2015, 01:01 PM
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#60
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Senior Member
Freightliner Owners Club
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Chicago Area
Posts: 248
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Enjoying the thread.
I like the DP, but now it's time for maintenance. We'll see if I still like it when I'm paying the bill.
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2020 4369 DSDP with '15 Jeep Grand Cherokee
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12-28-2015, 01:12 PM
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#61
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Senior Member
LA Gulf Coast Campers
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Picayune, MS (New Orleans)
Posts: 424
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Pass the popcorn....
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36' Itasca Meridian DP, now 2005 Newmar Scottsdale 34' Gas
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12-28-2015, 01:35 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Cosby, Tn
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom-NC
Hi, I guess I will put in my 2 cents and recommend a gas unit. My reasons follow:
1 - Diesel costs more than gas and you get the same mpg.
2 - Diesel costs more to maintain like $200 for oil change plus there are a few filters that need changing.
3 - A Ford V-10 will climb hills just as good or maybe even better than a diesel if you know how to drive uphills.
4 - Unless you are going to tow a 5000lb vehicle you don't need a diesel for towing.
5 - Diesels do have a better ride except if air bag gets a leak.
6 - If you buy a new Diesel you better drive it for 100K or you won't get your money out of it.
7 - You can get a gas 35 footer in a 24K pound range from Winnebago. It is the Adventurer.
8 - Diesels are a problem in cold weather as the diesel fuel gels.
9 - Diesel duel when sitting too long in tank developes Algae and clogs the fuel system
10- Lastly a lot of the big DP don't fit in a lot of state campgrounds and some others too.
Now all you DPers can get back to me I'm sure however I like my gasser and it does whatever I want and it tows my Ford Escape beautifully on a tow dolly.
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The gas/diesel threads are generally bogus propositions. It's all about the job you need your coach to do and how much that coach weighs. Gas and diesel coaches only compete head to head at the very upper weight range of gas engines or the lowest weight range of a diesel. This occurs around 24k pounds. Also in some class C coaches with the ones built on a Sprinter chassis.
To my mind, the following are prime owners of gas coaches:
1. Young families with children who camp generally weekends and one or two weeks annually.
2. Busy couples who work and generally have limited time and Milage requirements.
3. Older couples whose children are grown and they like to do long weekends and one or two week or longer trips annually but still life in sticks & bricks.
Owners of diesel coaches:
1. Travel extensively during all seasons with annual Milage in the 7000 to 15000 mile range.
2. Spend seasons in their coach.
3. Full timers.
Obviously some owners do not fit into these categories, but many do. In my situation, my wife and I have full timed in our 12 year old coach for 8 years now. It's traveling weight is just over 42,000 pounds plus a 4600 pound toad. There is no gas chassis which will do the job. I also get just under 8 mpg. I have over 100k miles on my coach and would not be concerned about pulling in the slides in the morning and heading to Alaska.
The major, but not only, consideration in the gas/diesel question is "what is best suited to the job".
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12-28-2015, 01:39 PM
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#63
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Senior Member
Country Coach Owners Club Solo Rvers Club iRV2 No Limits Club
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Vancouver, WA
Posts: 37,725
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JFNM
The gas vs diesel debate is silly - they are apples and oranges.
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Gotta agree with this! Your budget will dictate what you can get and the spouse will dictate what floor plan they like!
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12-28-2015, 03:27 PM
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#64
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Senior Member
Winnebago Owners Club Freightliner Owners Club
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: DW Driver - Englewood FL
Posts: 1,448
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom-NC
Hi, I guess I will put in my 2 cents and recommend a gas unit. My reasons follow:
1 - Diesel costs more than gas and you get the same mpg.
2 - Diesel costs more to maintain like $200 for oil change plus there are a few filters that need changing.
3 - A Ford V-10 will climb hills just as good or maybe even better than a diesel if you know how to drive uphills.
4 - Unless you are going to tow a 5000lb vehicle you don't need a diesel for towing.
5 - Diesels do have a better ride except if air bag gets a leak.
6 - If you buy a new Diesel you better drive it for 100K or you won't get your money out of it.
7 - You can get a gas 35 footer in a 24K pound range from Winnebago. It is the Adventurer.
8 - Diesels are a problem in cold weather as the diesel fuel gels.
9 - Diesel duel when sitting too long in tank developes Algae and clogs the fuel system
10- Lastly a lot of the big DP don't fit in a lot of state campgrounds and some others too.
Now all you DPers can get back to me I'm sure however I like my gasser and it does whatever I want and it tows my Ford Escape beautifully on a tow dolly.
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I disagree with Items
1 - Diesel costs more than gas and you get the same mpg.
Diesel cost less than 92 which most gassers need to stop PING.
Diesel gets better Mileage (8 MPH even pulling 8K lbs trailer @ 70 MPH)
Gasser will get 6 IF lucky.
As for the other items they are very debate and not totally applicable.
Gas engines don't like water and they freeze etc etc etc.
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99 36 FL Winne Chieftain 5.9 ISB Turbo Cummins DP, 24' box with HD Sporty Hobby of 1970's Suzuki dirt bike restoration. Visit my blog.
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12-29-2015, 08:30 AM
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#65
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Senior Member
LA Gulf Coast Campers
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Picayune, MS (New Orleans)
Posts: 424
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ladagobago
I disagree with Items
1 - Diesel costs more than gas and you get the same mpg.
Diesel cost less than 92 which most gassers need to stop PING.
Diesel gets better Mileage (8 MPH even pulling 8K lbs trailer @ 70 MPH)
Gasser will get 6 IF lucky.
As for the other items they are very debate and not totally applicable.
Gas engines don't like water and they freeze etc etc etc.
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1) My Ford V-10 loves regular 87 gas. I have never heard a ping.
2) I drive 55 - 60 towing a CRV and get 8 MPG.
70 MPH is too fast for that much weight if you have a blowout.
Don't understand the freeze statement. Gas engines are much easier to start in cold weather that diesel. Diesels have to have a preheat to get going and maybe a block warmer.
Both have water cooled engines and require antifreeze.
This is not a discussion on which is the better coach. This is a discussion on which is a better fit. If you have unlimited dollars buy one of the half million dollar Newmar rigs... you don't care what it costs to maintain. Or how much depreciation you lose each year.
If you are not in that class, don't believe all the drivel that diesel is the only way to go. Not true. I have had both. I know.
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12-29-2015, 08:51 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: NE Oklahoma
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom-NC
Hi, I guess I will put in my 2 cents and recommend a gas unit. My reasons follow:
1 - Diesel costs more than gas and you get the same mpg.
2 - Diesel costs more to maintain like $200 for oil change plus there are a few filters that need changing.
3 - A Ford V-10 will climb hills just as good or maybe even better than a diesel if you know how to drive uphills.
4 - Unless you are going to tow a 5000lb vehicle you don't need a diesel for towing.
5 - Diesels do have a better ride except if air bag gets a leak.
6 - If you buy a new Diesel you better drive it for 100K or you won't get your money out of it.
7 - You can get a gas 35 footer in a 24K pound range from Winnebago. It is the Adventurer.
8 - Diesels are a problem in cold weather as the diesel fuel gels.
9 - Diesel duel when sitting too long in tank developes Algae and clogs the fuel system
10- Lastly a lot of the big DP don't fit in a lot of state campgrounds and some others too.
Now all you DPers can get back to me I'm sure however I like my gasser and it does whatever I want and it tows my Ford Escape beautifully on a tow dolly.
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Ever wonder why you don't see any 40' gassers?
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2020 JAYCO Eagle 30.5CKTS
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12-29-2015, 09:03 AM
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#67
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Senior Member
Ford Super Duty Owner Jayco Owners Club
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Chino Valley Arizona
Posts: 106
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40' gassers
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Originally Posted by vapor3000
Ever wonder why you don't see any 40' gassers?
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No. Same reason there aren't any Peterbilt gassers.
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12-29-2015, 11:05 AM
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Senior Member
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Satsop WA
Posts: 1,619
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What?!!
I can't get a 45 tag axle gasser?
Then I could have the length and have people PAY ME to change the oil!!!!
(Ok, maybe went to far here, just having fun. Carry on!)
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12-29-2015, 12:32 PM
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#69
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: High up in Arizona
Posts: 2,050
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vapor3000
Ever wonder why you don't see any 40' gassers?
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Nope. Common sense will tell anyone that once you start getting to the upper 30's a gas engine and chassis simply do not have the strength and power to handle the coach properly. It is funny how these threads turn into some type of mine is better than yours games.
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2019 Allegro Bus 37AP towing a Jeep JK Rubicon Wrangler
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12-29-2015, 01:04 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 515
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vapor3000
Ever wonder why you don't see any 40' gassers?
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They're 39'11" because certain areas have rules about things over 40' long. .
The problem with gassers is that no one builds a dedicated engine for them. The Ford V-10 is just a passenger car V-8 with two extra cylinders, and its even several generations old now. Ford sees no need to build a better modern engine because it has no competition in the small niche market of gas class A motorhomes.
Ever wonder why you don't see DPs under 30', and rarely much under 35'?
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