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Old 08-10-2014, 09:27 PM   #29
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Be aware that some older lower-end diesel MHs came with a propane generator rather than a diesel one. For the OP, check to make sure the DP you are looking at do indeed have diesel generators--that is what you would want if you go the DP route.
Agreed.

Even some higher end coaches offered the propane generator, I assume as a cost reduction option. That might be fine for someone that hardly ever needs to use the generator.

However, we rely on our generator. It is an Onan 6.5kw propane. It's performance has been substantially less than satisfactory.

One of the top items on our 'must have' list for our next coach is a diesel generator.

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Another, gone from gas coach to diesel, and wont be going back !
The way I see it, if you live in flat land, and will be doing most of your travelling in flat land, you will be fine with a gas coach.
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My last two were diesel. I just bought a new gasser. They have come a long way.
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Agreed.

Even some higher end coaches offered the propane generator, I assume as a cost reduction option. That might be fine for someone that hardly ever needs to use the generator.

However, we rely on our generator. It is an Onan 6.5kw propane. It's performance has been substantially less than satisfactory.

One of the top items on our 'must have' list for our next coach is a diesel generator.

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Its an option because some just dont use gensets regardless of what powers them.
Mine came to me with under 200 hours on a 98 unit.

Parents basically went from campground to campground where propane was always available and never boondodocked more than a night.

I had the 6300 which was also less that stellar. For me that was a big deal. Couldn't wait to get rid of it.

I'll park at the same place for a week, and run at least one AC almost continuously and supply powering to my whole campsite

The performance, noise and economy difference is startling between propane and diesel genies.

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My last two were diesel. I just bought a new gasser. They have come a long way.
They have.

Even if you are Ok with the engine chassis and economy - you still can't get a water cooled gasoline genset unless you buy used.

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Old 08-11-2014, 02:13 PM   #34
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Is there any benefit to a gas engine over a Diesel Pusher ?

we have found 3 RV's two are Diesel Pushers


two are 2000 Discovery 37-V diesel pushers which are basically the same one with 47000 and the other with 59000 miles and lots of extras both around $35K


the third a Itasca with a gas engine in mint condition,

2003 Itasca Suncruiser with 48000 miles and also loaded also about $35K




all 3 with two slides and the works, all about the same pricing and mileage although the two pushers are a little longer


Any thoughts and or pros and cons of the pushers vs gas
I would say it depends on how you plan to use the MH and the length that will satisfy your use.

I have had 4 gassers over the years. The last two have had the 8.1 liter/Allison/Workhorse setups which is superior in my view to the others I have owned.

If you plan to use the MH in the 5K to 6K miles/year (which is what we do) and can use a 35'/36' or less length, I would say gas is the way to go. If you plan to be in the 40' length and plan to do 12K to 15K miles per year, the DP is the way to go.

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I would say it depends on how you plan to use the MH and the length that will satisfy your use.

I have had 4 gassers over the years. The last two have had the 8.1 liter/Allison/Workhorse setups which is superior in my view to the others I have owned.

If you plan to use the MH in the 5K to 6K miles/year (which is what we do) and can use a 35'/36' or less length, I would say gas is the way to go. If you plan to be in the 40' length and plan to do 12K to 15K miles per year, the DP is the way to go.

My 2 cents!!!
Curious about your position.

If you were to tow something would you use the same mileage/length breakpoint? Say a small boat or a Toad?

Towing tends to be disproportionally harder on a gasser in terms of CC and mileage.

Just curious.

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They have.

Even if you are Ok with the engine chassis and economy - you still can't get a water cooled gasoline genset unless you buy used.

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I'm not sure why anyone would need a water cooled generator. Just a lot more weight to drag around.
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I'm not sure why anyone would need a water cooled generator. Just a lot more weight to drag around.
Lots of reasons.

They dont overheat as quickly especially under full load.
They are much quieter
Controlling temps results in much longer life.


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A lot of great posts in this thread. Nice work everyone. I know it is a topic that has gone around the track a few times, but as someone with the same debate happening in my head, I got some good food for thought as well from all this. Thanks all, and good luck to the OP in their buying process.
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the two types we are looking at the initial purchase cost are basically all in the same range, there would be not huge bump in buying the DP

2000 Fleetwood Discovery 37 2 SLIDE - $35,000.00 (same price with other Dp)



2003 Itasca Sun Cruiser $35,000.00

all 3 have about the same amount of mileage on them, roughly from 49,000 miles to 59,000 miles.

I also looked around and on NADA and the price for the DP's is in the ballpark and around the country on RV trader there are many in the 30K to 40K price range of the same make and model.

With that said, will 35K buy a good reliable DP or is that basically asking for problems. I know all depends on the individual unit but all look to be in mint condition and well taken care of also the DP's have air suspension, will this be a softer ride ?

Engine noise was a concern, is there a lot of engine noise on long hauls with the gas under your feet, the DP being in the rear i would imagine you hear nothing .

all things being equal if you had two models you were looking at in the same price range which would be your first choice?

forgot to mention the DP's both have Cummins 275 HP engines built on Freightliner chassis'

Itasca has 8.1 Workhorse egine (chevy i think)

I think in this case... I would go with the diesel... I mean, they are the same money.. same cost... why wouldn't you go with a DP??

Most of us.. and I did say "most", would want a DP over a gas... It's a far superior ride and does have all the power you would need..

In most of the threads you read about DP vs GAS, there is a huge price gap the OP is trying to justify... you don't have that issue... You're saying I have these three rigs, they all cost the same, two are DP and one is GAS.. what should I do.. with those circumstances... heck.. go with the DP and ask the next question.. I really don't think there is any reason NOT to go with a DP...

Now, if you were trying to justify a $30k, $50k or $100k price difference.. everything everyone has said about having a GAS coach is relevant.. but with all things being equal.. I think MOST of us would say go with the DP..

NOW... speaking for me.. DP all the way.. but as I have read on this forum MANY times... two things to keep in mind... 1st > Floor plan... Floor plan... Floor plan... buy the one you like, whether its DP or GAS... 2nd > this goes hand-in-hand with #1... but happy wife, means happy life...

Good Luck !!!
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Diesel Pusher vs. gas

If you are going to buy a coach that is 12 to 15 years old, expect more issues than just the engine it's self. There is no doubt that you will have some.

A full inspection by a certified RV specialist, and an Extended Warranty is advised. You need to be aware upfront, that regardless which coach you get, you are going to have both upgrade cost and repair bills that may be in the range of $8 to $10K minimum. You will only know that this is correct after adding them up over the next two to three years.

As an example; it is not just the engine type and milage that matters, it is the hours on the generator, the size of the generator, and the maintenance records associated with the generator, the "exercise" routine of the generator (they require use, not just sitting around), etc. Replacing a generator on any of them will cost you ~$5K to $8K alone.

Another example is that with this age you are going to have age related degradation. Tires degrade over time, and therefore, if one of the coaches has a new set of tires, it may be automatically be worth ~$3K to 4K more in value than the others.

Another example is if any of the coaches have had significant upgrades. With that old of a coach, you will want to upgrade the TV's to newer models (may cost several hundred, as well as some cabinetry work, etc), you may want a newer Satellite system (another ~$1K or more, all said and done), you may find that the Microwave/Convection oven needs replacing (at least several hundred dollars), not to mention things like a refrigerator, washer/dryer, finding a pyramid of solidified poo in the black tank, etc, etc, etc....

Having said all that, my concern with the older RV comparison would be the over all quality of each, the floor plan that best meets your need, upgrades done, new tires, quality of the generator, quality of other systems, quality care done on the gray and black water tanks, and exterior and interior color and appearance.

Other considerations; travel plans? (are you a weekend warrior or do you plan to travel months at a time going across the country), health? (how long do you anticipate traveling, months, years, decades), any kids? (will kids always be traveling along or just occasionally at best), etc. This type of thing may make the selection more clear.

Regardless which type engine you get, I hope that everything works out for you and you make many wonderful memories traveling along.


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Didn't read the entire thread but can tell you probably have the Cummins 5.9l power plant with the Alison 6spd.

I have a 99 HR with that same engine and chassis. I've done a lot of the maintenance that is required and the parts are more expensive e.g. fuel filters, air cleaner, air brake dryer filters, oil filter, oil. Overall, fluid capacities are greater with a disel vs. gas.

Ok, it's true. But, you're in the big leagues, as well...better and quieter ride, better power and transmission, along with a super chassis with a super turning radius. Even with the smallest of the diesel engines in the 5.9 Cummins, that baby can scoot a 26k lb coach down the road pretty darn good.

I got lucky and bought my last coach first, I'm pretty sure. That is until my mother can no longer travel. Then I will likely jump to a multi-slideout unit, as I had to avoid that with a wheelchair lift needing a non-slide out sacrificial wall for the lift. By then, I'll surely know what I want in a floor plan. And, it will be a diesel.
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If you are going to buy a coach that is 12 to 15 years old, expect more issues than just the engine it's self. No drought you will have some.

A full inspection by a certified RV specialist, and an Extended is advised. You need to be aware upfront, that regardless which coach you get, you are going to have both upgrade cost and repair bills that may be in the range of $8 to $10K minimum. You will only know that this is correct after adding them up over the next two to three years.

As an example; it is not just the engine type and milage that matters, it is the hours on the generator, the size of the generator, and the maintenance records associated with the generator, the "exercise" routine of the generator (they require use, not just sitting around), etc. Replacing a generator on any of them will cost you ~$5K to $8K alone.

Another example is that with this age you are going to have age related degradation. Tires degrade over time, and therefore, if one of the coaches has a new set of tires, it may be automatically be worth ~$3K to 4K more in value than the others.

Another example is if any of the coaches have had significant upgrades. With that old of a coach, you will want to upgrade the TV's to newer models (may cost several hundred, as well as some cabinetry work, etc), you may want a newer Satellite system (another ~$1K or more, all said and done), you may find that the Microwave/Convection oven needs replacing (at least several hundred dollars), not to mention things like a refrigerator, washer/dryer, finding a pyramid of solidified poo in the black tank, etc, etc, etc....

Having said all that, my concern with the older RV comparison would be the over all quality of each, the floor plan that best meets your need, upgrades done, new tires, quality of the generator, quality of other systems, quality care done on the gray and black water tanks, and exterior and interior color and appearance.

Other considerations; travel plans? (are you a weekend warrior or do you plan to travel months at a time going across the country), health? (how long do you anticipate traveling, months, years, decades), any kids? (will kids always be traveling along or just occasionally at best), etc. This type of thing may make the selection more clear.

Regardless which type engine you get, I hope that everything works out for you and you make many wonderful memories traveling along.


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