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Old 04-27-2016, 02:50 PM   #1
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Dish VIP211K vs Dish VIP211Z

Here are things I have noticed and I have one question.
211Z-smaller, runs cooler, hdmi, runs only 1 tv and the others have to run off over air antenna.
211K-large, runs hot, coaxial, runs multiple tvs on the same channel.

Question:On the 211k my surround sound must be hooked into the DVD player as the only way the surround sound works is by turning on the DVD player and switching it from DVD to tv/cable. With the 211z I have no surround sound when performing the same actions. Any thoughts outside of going back to the 211k?
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I have a Sony 5.1 surround sound system that will switch between different HDMI inputs and will connect to the surround sound speakers. I had it in the house but saved the amplifier to use in the coach.
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I moved from k to z because of the heat. My k was incredibly hot. But the differing connectivity options did not have an impact to me.
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Old 04-27-2016, 06:10 PM   #4
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Here are things I have noticed and I have one question.
211Z-smaller, runs cooler, hdmi, runs only 1 tv and the others have to run off over air antenna.
211K-large, runs hot, coaxial, runs multiple tvs on the same channel.

Question:On the 211k my surround sound must be hooked into the DVD player as the only way the surround sound works is by turning on the DVD player and switching it from DVD to tv/cable. With the 211z I have no surround sound when performing the same actions. Any thoughts outside of going back to the 211k?
I use the VIP-211k in my coach mainly because I can receive the local channels (it's also a digital receiver) and, in case of the major networks, can get the guide information displayed with the satellite channels on HDMI. This is a big plus when I'm in another metro area. I don't know your setup but my 211k has an optical and regular coaxial audio output that I don't really need. My television is capable of variable coaxial audio output which is what I use for my surround. The 211k is also capable of supporting an external Hard Drive that can be used as a recorder. In my opinion, the VIP-21k is a superior receiver even though it runs a little hot.
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I use the VIP-211k in my coach mainly because I can receive the local channels (it's also a digital receiver) and, in case of the major networks, can get the guide information displayed with the satellite channels on HDMI. This is a big plus when I'm in another metro area. I don't know your setup but my 211k has an optical and regular coaxial audio output that I don't really need. My television is capable of variable coaxial audio output which is what I use for my surround. The 211k is also capable of supporting an external Hard Drive that can be used as a recorder. In my opinion, the VIP-21k is a superior receiver even though it runs a little hot.
The 211z also does all of those things (except the coaxial digital audio out which most don't need anymore.) If you add the USB OTA tuner it receives off-the-air (with the full channel guide just like the 211k), supports an external hard drive with DVR function, etc. If you don't need the legacy output formats (and few do these days as any TV made in the last 10 years of so uses HDMI) then the 211z has essentially the same functionality with more modern hardware (faster processor, more internal memory, etc.) not to mention runs much cooler.
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The 211z also does all of those things (except the coaxial digital audio out which most don't need anymore.) If you add the USB OTA tuner it receives off-the-air (with the full channel guide just like the 211k), supports an external hard drive with DVR function, etc. If you don't need the legacy output formats (and few do these days as any TV made in the last 10 years of so uses HDMI) then the 211z has essentially the same functionality with more modern hardware (faster processor, more internal memory, etc.) not to mention runs much cooler.
You just pointed out two things the Z doesn't do that the K does without additional expense. To each his own. I'm sticking with my Ks.
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You just pointed out two things the Z doesn't do that the K does without additional expense. To each his own. I'm sticking with my Ks.
There is no additional expense because if you add up the cost of the base 211z + OTA tuner + DVR it comes out to be about the same as the 'fully loaded' k model. And that's the whole point... the user buys the features he wants/needs without being forced to pay for those he doesn't. But if you want equivalent functionality the total cost is also equivalent.

And I'm not trying to convert you, just sharing information.
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Here are things I have noticed and I have one question.
211Z-smaller, runs cooler, hdmi, runs only 1 tv and the others have to run off over air antenna.
211K-large, runs hot, coaxial, runs multiple tvs on the same channel.

Question:On the 211k my surround sound must be hooked into the DVD player as the only way the surround sound works is by turning on the DVD player and switching it from DVD to tv/cable. With the 211z I have no surround sound when performing the same actions. Any thoughts outside of going back to the 211k?
For audio, the 211k is better with a digital audio output and the RCA Composite (line-audio L/R)...211z only has line-audio L/R (line is not amplified)...

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All of the video outputs are always hot on the 211k (HDMI and Component (HD), Composite and Coax(SD). I do not know about the 211z's composite video output staying hot with the HDMI.

And, the external (211z) vs. internal (211k) OTA tuner is a big difference IMHO...
...Since the external hard drive will record 1 SAT and 1 OTA channel at the same time, why would anyone not want the OTA tuner?

Both use the same firmware for the external hard-drive.

While the 211k may not be in current manufacture, we just acquired a second one (refurbished with factory warranty) for only $80 (Amazon Prime - Free shipping)...$7 a month added to the account (same programming).

Since they are both still available, I say get the one that works best for you

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If you still need the legacy SD outputs then you would want the k, but the segment of the population who wants to use old TVs and/or SD in this day and age is shrinking. It's natural that they not be included on newer models, you can't support that stuff forever.

As to why someone wouldn't want an OTA tuner, many just use their satellite locals and don't want to mess with OTA. But again it's inexpensive to add if you want. And if you do you can record one satellite channel and one OTA channel at the same time, just like the k model.

I agree that everyone should buy what's best for them, I just don't see how that it would be a k model for anyone with a TV manufactured in this century that doesn't need NTSC video (which is hardly watchable by today's standards, and certainly not suitable for a big screen set) because the legacy outputs are about the only thing going for it. All the rest of the functionality (and more) can be duplicated in the newer z. But as always, YMMV.
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If you still need the legacy SD outputs then you would want the k, but the segment of the population who wants to use old TVs and/or SD in this day and age is shrinking. It's natural that they not be included on newer models, you can't support that stuff forever.

As to why someone wouldn't want an OTA tuner, many just use their satellite locals and don't want to mess with OTA. But again it's inexpensive to add if you want. And if you do you can record one satellite channel and one OTA channel at the same time, just like the k model.

I agree that everyone should buy what's best for them, I just don't see how that it would be a k model for anyone with a TV manufactured in this century that doesn't need NTSC video (which is hardly watchable by today's standards, and certainly not suitable for a big screen set) because the legacy outputs are about the only thing going for it. All the rest of the functionality (and more) can be duplicated in the newer z. But as always, YMMV.
You must be the factory rep. for the VIP-211Z I use the K in both my home and coach. It's a matter of preference for me. I like the fact that I can watch the news (on NTSC output of the K) in my motorhome bedroom or basement TV without any special equipment other than the selector box already installed. I like the fact that the digital audio is available for my home surround system. If I didnt care about these things I would not have a problem with the Z. I move one of my Ks from house to motorhome as needed. I bought the receivers off ebay several years ago for around a $100 ea and have never had a problem with them.
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Only trying to provide some accurate information, which I think I've done so we can move on I guess.

Back to the OPs question, can you provide a little more detailed information on how you have the audio connected currently? What is generating your 'surround sound' and how are your devices connected to it?
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The OP was asking about the audio output on the Dish 211's.

K beats Z for audio with a digital audio output port. And, the Z and K both have stereo L/R line-out, so either will work for an added soundbar or amplified surround sound system. Neither is Dolby, but...

...hope that helps the OP.

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Here are things I have noticed and I have one question.
211Z-smaller, runs cooler, hdmi, runs only 1 tv and the others have to run off over air antenna.
211K-large, runs hot, coaxial, runs multiple tvs on the same channel.

Question:On the 211k my surround sound must be hooked into the DVD player as the only way the surround sound works is by turning on the DVD player and switching it from DVD to tv/cable. With the 211z I have no surround sound when performing the same actions. Any thoughts outside of going back to the 211k?
You did not say what type of TV you have, most of the newer HDTV's have the digital optical audio out to connect to the surround sound amp. That way your Dish/Direct box, OTA, and Blu-Ray DVD will all play thru the surround sound without any additional switching.
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I'm considering adding pay as you go satellite to my rig since it already has an antenna. I have two TVs but I don't want to pay Dish for two receivers, particularly since we would almost never be watching two different channels at the same time. The fact that the k unit has rf out means I can send the signal to the bedroom if I want to. For me, k solves a problem.

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