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Old 11-27-2015, 11:02 AM   #85
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I lived in Guatemala City. I was an airline pilot working for a Guatemalan airline. I flew specifically to Central America and Mexico. As a pilot traveling from the airports to various hotels and restaurants, I was with locals (fellow crew members) who knew how to keep us relatively safe. As a Gringo you stand out. Throw an RV in the mix you become a spectacle. I befriended some American DEA agents living and working there. We talked, I listened and learned. You can get your throat slit and stuffed in a garbage can. Police are the bad guys most of the time. Sure you can RV there. Many of you have without problems. Means nothing...You take your chances and play the odds in life. Surf in sharky waters, ride motorcycles in busy areas. I've done both. But I understood the risk each time. Those of you RVing in Mexico are swimming in sharky waters. Ok if you do it but a real pity if your running blind and clueless thinking the waters are smooth sailing. One other thing. Paying the drug cartel is a way of life in Mexico. Think about that. The police are corrupt and the cartel makes all the locals pay for things because they can. There is no one to stop them. Sounds like Disneyworld right?? You can have it.
This is the best reply to this subject yet. Go ahead, take your chances. But if you get into trouble, don't come to the US emabassy looking for help. You'll be out of luck. This isn't worth the risk, in my estimation.
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As I said way back in this thread, I can't understand any reasonably intelligent American RV'er taking ANY MH into Mexico!
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It is always interesting reading stuff and then comparing the reality with the perceptions. For instance here there are people who come here to Mexico year after year after year who firmly believe the reported risks are overblown and are actually only applicable to selected areas of Mexico and which even then are in fact no worse than exists in selected areas back home.
Then there are those who read the same news stories who firmly believe they live in the safest country in the world and that Mexico is nothing more than a totally lawless country.

All interesting stuff, but the truth is there if you look for it.

Gun Violence in U.S. Cities Compared to the Deadliest Nations in the World - CityLab



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  • If it were a country, New Orleans (with a rate 62.1 gun murders per 100,000 people) would rank second in the world.
  • Detroit's gun homicide rate (35.9) is just a bit less than El Salvador (39.9).
  • Baltimore's rate (29.7) is not too far off that of Guatemala (34.8).
  • Gun murder in Newark (25.4) and Miami (23.7) is comparable to Colombia (27.1).
  • Washington D.C. (19) has a higher rate of gun homicide than Brazil (18.1).
  • Atlanta's rate (17.2) is about the same as South Africa (17).
  • Cleveland (17.4) has a higher rate than the Dominican Republic (16.3).
  • Gun murder in Buffalo (16.5) is similar to Panama (16.2).
  • Houston's rate (12.9) is slightly higher than Ecuador's (12.7).
  • Gun homicide in Chicago (11.6) is similar to Guyana (11.5).
  • Phoenix's rate (10.6) is slightly higher than Mexico (10).
  • Los Angeles (9.2) is comparable to the Philippines (8.9).
  • Boston rate (6.2) is higher than Nicaragua (5.9).
  • New York, where gun murders have declined to just four per 100,000, is still higher than Argentina (3).
  • Even the cities with the lowest homicide rates by American standards, like San Jose and Austin, compare to Albania and Cambodia respectively.
Mexico? Same as Phoenix. Ecuador, the retirement country of choice for large numbers of Americans - same as Houston. And then you only have to read your own newspapers to know.

Have to admit that in 2 years of traveling around the US we have yet to go into any US city, but we have spent a lot of time in quite a few of those supposed dangerous countries and have yet to meet any problems.
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It is always interesting reading stuff and then comparing the reality with the perceptions. For instance here there are people who come here to Mexico year after year after year who firmly believe the reported risks are overblown and are actually only applicable to selected areas of Mexico and which even then are in fact no worse than exists in selected areas back home.
Then there are those who read the same news stories who firmly believe they live in the safest country in the world and that Mexico is nothing more than a totally lawless country.

All interesting stuff, but the truth is there if you look for it.

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Mexico? Same as Phoenix. Ecuador, the retirement country of choice for large numbers of Americans - same as Houston. And then you only have to read your own newspapers to know.

Have to admit that in 2 years of traveling around the US we have yet to go into any US city, but we have spent a lot of time in quite a few of those supposed dangerous countries and have yet to meet any problems.

You are missing the point. Cities across the US have lots of murders and violent crime. The point is what are the odds of becoming one of those statistics? Send a Gringo into Mexico with class a Motorhome and your betting against the house.
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It is always interesting reading stuff and then comparing the reality with the perceptions. For instance here there are people who come here to Mexico year after year after year who firmly believe the reported risks are overblown and are actually only applicable to selected areas of Mexico and which even then are in fact no worse than exists in selected areas back home.
Then there are those who read the same news stories who firmly believe they live in the safest country in the world and that Mexico is nothing more than a totally lawless country.

All interesting stuff, but the truth is there if you look for it.



Gun Violence in U.S. Cities Compared to the Deadliest Nations in the World - CityLab





Mexico? Same as Phoenix. Ecuador, the retirement country of choice for large numbers of Americans - same as Houston. And then you only have to read your own newspapers to know.

Have to admit that in 2 years of traveling around the US we have yet to go into any US city, but we have spent a lot of time in quite a few of those supposed dangerous countries and have yet to meet any problems.
No offense, but you are talking apples and oranges here. The police in the US will assist and defend, please also think per capita....
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The point is what are the odds of becoming one of those statistics?
That is the point of the story. The odds are deaths per 100,000 people regardless of whether they were wearing rolexs or driving vehicles.



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The police in the US will assist and defend, please also think per capita....
Reading recent media reports, it seems that many US citizens might not agree with that first part, and re the second part, the figures given on that map ARE per capita.

We quite enjoy having our own personal escort on Mexico. Has happened a few times.
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That is the point of the story. The odds are deaths per 100,000 people regardless of whether they were wearing rolexs or driving vehicles.



Reading recent media reports, it seems that many US citizens might not agree with that first part, and re the second part, the figures given on that map ARE per capita.

We quite enjoy having our own personal escort on Mexico. Has happened a few times.
Your talking per capita. Let's say your surfing with 100 surfers all around you and there is a shark nearby looking for a meal. Now let's say one of the surfers is wearing his snappy new seal skin swimsuit that not only makes him look like a seal (meal) but smell like a seal (meal). Same per capita odds of becoming a meal you say???
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My RV insurance policy is not valid in Mexico. Need a special endorsement and more $$ if I want to add Mexico. Is it just possible the insurance company sees this as a higher risk? Hmm
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My RV insurance policy is not valid in Mexico. Need a special endorsement and more $$ if I want to add Mexico. Is it just possible the insurance company sees this as a higher risk? Hmm
Good article on Mexico RV travel here:

http://www.mexicorvforums.com/border.php
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As I said way back in this thread, I can't understand any reasonably intelligent American RV'er taking ANY MH into Mexico!

This is just a curiosity thing on my part. I don't care where anyone RV's. What source of news are you using that is publishing stories on bad things happening to RVers or even tourists in general. Or at least any more than anywhere else in the world.

Just curious.
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My RV insurance policy is not valid in Mexico. Need a special endorsement and more $$ if I want to add Mexico. Is it just possible the insurance company sees this as a higher risk? Hmm
Swap to Progressive then.
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This is just a curiosity thing on my part. I don't care where anyone RV's. What source of news are you using that is publishing stories on bad things happening to RVers or even tourists in general. Or at least any more than anywhere else in the world.

Just curious.
Me too, but bad news can be found if you look for it. For instance

http://www.vivalanoticia.com/Noticia.aspx?ID=19036 which looks like the end of this facebook story https://www.facebook.com/josie.cox.1217

Of course many will put this down to criminal acts, but equally likely to be simply camping and a propane bottle blew up

Thing is some of us DO keep up with news all up and down the Americas via groups such as https://www.facebook.com/groups/panamtravelers/ and https://www.facebook.com/groups/OverlandSphere/ and several other country-specific groups and all the forums specific to this area such as http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hubb/south-america/ and http://panamericanaforum.org/index.p...e=index&page=1 and http://www.drivetheamericas.com/forum/new and dozens of comprehensive blogs over many years and the facts are that violent criminal attacks on overlanders are very rare despite our propensity for boondocking in some pretty weird places and despite driving in lots of very isolated areas.

Who would you prefer to use as a primary reference - thousands of overlanders driving everything from bicycles to $1000,000 expedition trucks who actively report on their experiences in great detail and who have a huge formal and inform support network that buzzes 365/24, OR a few armchair experts living in gated suburbs taking their cues from remote reporters experiencing a slow news day.
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Swap to Progressive then.
Sorry Tony - not the point I was making : Insurance companies charge more based on financial risk or exposure. They see Mexico as a higher financial exposure. AKA "RISK"
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