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Old 11-29-2015, 11:32 AM   #99
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Sorry Tony - not the point I was making : Insurance companies charge more based on financial risk or exposure. They see Mexico as a higher financial exposure. AKA "RISK"
So what. I just changed my garage address from near SF to Lancaster and the premium dropped quite a bit. Adding Mexico coverage to my Progressive policy didn't rate a separate dollar amount so maybe their experience doesn't show higher risk in Mexico. Guess there is a higher risk of accidents in a big city. Higher risk of theft also. Parts of Mexico are seen as higher risk by Mexican liability insurers too. Garage it in some US states and premiums rise and fall like yoyos and not only because state liability limits differ. Own a vehicle in snow-bound states and likely pay more than ice-free states.
Give me a choice between LA freeways at peakhour on a winter afternoon and the Devils Backbone up to Durango, and I'll take the backbone every time.

But anyway, I assumed most of this discussion was about personal safety more than vehicle safety, but of course if major wrecks of US RVs in Mexico can be shown to happen at any significant rate, that does become a legitimate factor in reckoning overall personal safety
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Old 11-29-2015, 12:09 PM   #100
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Old 11-30-2015, 05:00 AM   #101
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It is always interesting reading stuff and then comparing the reality with the perceptions. For instance here there are people who come here to Mexico year after year after year who firmly believe the reported risks are overblown and are actually only applicable to selected areas of Mexico and which even then are in fact no worse than exists in selected areas back home.
Then there are those who read the same news stories who firmly believe they live in the safest country in the world and that Mexico is nothing more than a totally lawless country.

All interesting stuff, but the truth is there if you look for it.

Gun Violence in U.S. Cities Compared to the Deadliest Nations in the World - CityLab






Mexico? Same as Phoenix. Ecuador, the retirement country of choice for large numbers of Americans - same as Houston. And then you only have to read your own newspapers to know.

Have to admit that in 2 years of traveling around the US we have yet to go into any US city, but we have spent a lot of time in quite a few of those supposed dangerous countries and have yet to meet any problems.
This is a comparison of large US Cities vs entire Countries. Would not be surprised if the large city firearm homicides in the countries posted are SIGNIFICANTLY higher than their country's average.
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Old 11-30-2015, 11:26 PM   #102
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Driving a $500,000 Motor Home In Baja - Mexico

Grave fears for missing Australian surfers missing in MEXICO after remains, charred van found.
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Grave fears for missing Australian surfers missing in MEXICO after remains, charred van found.
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That's really sad. When I was younger we used to travel to Mexico to surf and scuba dive. My name on the forum Noserider was given to me for riding the nose of the board. I can't justify the risk to vacation there anymore. It's to bad since I live so close in Houston. Maybe I'm just getting risk averse as I get older or maybe just smarter. Prayers for the families of the surfers missing/dead.
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Old 12-01-2015, 03:51 AM   #104
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Interesting logic. Applying your logic to the topic, if someone told you that one person out of a group of 100 people with red hair and green eyes was a murderer, would you avoid all red haired green eyed people too? Would you treat the other 99 red haired green eyed people as murderers because of the actions of one?

Trying to use your scenario. We are talking about people, not grapes, right?
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This is a comparison of large US Cities vs entire Countries. Would not be surprised if the large city firearm homicides in the countries posted are SIGNIFICANTLY higher than their country's average.
Remember, in many of those countries guns are illegal. It wouldn't surprise me if gun crimes were less. It would surprise me if overall violence was less. I don't think the statistics presented really paint the true picture.
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Old 12-01-2015, 08:27 AM   #106
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Not going to Mexico in any kind of vehicle.........ever
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Not going to Mexico in any kind of vehicle.........ever
I have been debating whether I should go to Alaska or not for many months.

Most of what I heard when I mentioned my dream to fellow RVist who went there 10 or 20 years ago (or those who had planned to go but thought better not to) was that roads were terrible, one chance out of two you would get your windshield busted from incoming trucks, you could run out of gas because of long distances between fueling facilities, chances of rig failures and no repair shops or parts available.

Even worst, some got jailed because they innocently carried self defense guns crossing Canada borders.

And then I found myself reading blogs of those who shared extensively their experience, from day to day, as a "carnet de voyage".
The more I read, the better I was informed.

I left home end of June and came back 7k miles later.

I truly enjoyed my trip
Now I am planning a trip to Mexico for 2017.

To those who love traveling, thanks for sharing!
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I used to go to the Baja in my 20" class C MH w/ wife and 2 young children back in the 70's. It was safe then. Would not go there now in a heart beat! We winter vacation in San Diego and the Mexican population has increased noticeably from the 70's but I still enjoy their culture.
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I Don't think the "firearms homicides per capita" map tells the whole story either.....only makes a blip on this map when killed by a gun. In Mexico they just cut your throat, or lop your head off ! 😜
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When we went to Tiajuana years back we watched a Mexican taxi chase a car with US plates and crash into it.That was just a plain car, not a large money billboard.
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When we went to Tiajuana years back we watched a Mexican taxi chase a car with US plates and crash into it.That was just a plain car, not a large money billboard.
They've been doing that here in the States too.
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Sure there is a difference in USA if something like that happen, you can trust the police, but the police is not allways on scene when something happen, so you get ripped off anyway or worst, murdered. We where told once to watch out if you get hit from the back, do not stop, it is a trick to rip you off, this was a warning from Florida State.
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