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Old 03-20-2012, 06:48 PM   #99
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He said, that she said, that they said, that I said that I have a Texas Class A drivers license so I can drive anything that is not commercial and not a school bus.

I think, after reading all of this that I'm correct.
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Old 03-20-2012, 07:34 PM   #100
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That's true insofar as a Class A license is concerned, but (in the more likely MH scenario) if towing vehicle GVWR (notice the switch from the Class A license) is >26,000 lbs and the towed load GVWR is not more than 10,000 lbs, then a Class B is required. In other words, if the 26,000 lb hurdle is exceeded (GCWR or GVWR, depending on Class A or Class B), then an upgraded license is required regardless of whether the second hurdle (towed load weight/GVWR) of 10,000 lbs is met.

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No, the GCWR only comes in with the Class A license. Class B is based on the GVWR for the vehicle. You can have a GCWR of 27,000 - a MH of 24,000 and toad of 3,000 - and still a Class C.

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Old 03-20-2012, 07:56 PM   #101
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No, the GCWR only comes in with the Class A license. Class B is based on the GVWR for the vehicle. You can have a GCWR of 27,000 - a MH of 24,000 and toad of 3,000 - and still a Class C.

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Let's look at the Texas Transportation Code and let it speak for itself:

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Sec. 521.081. CLASS A LICENSE.

A Class A driver's license authorizes the holder of the license to operate:

(1) a vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more; or

(2) a combination of vehicles that has a gross combination weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more, if the gross vehicle weight rating of any vehicle or vehicles in tow is more than 10,000 pounds.

Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, Sec. 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995.


Sec. 521.082. CLASS B LICENSE.

(a) A Class B driver's license authorizes the holder of the license to operate:

(1) a vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating that is more than 26,000 pounds;

(2) a vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of 26,000 pounds or more towing:
(A) a vehicle, other than a farm trailer, with a gross vehicle weight rating that is not more than 10,000 pounds; or
(B) a farm trailer with a gross vehicle weight rating that is not more than 20,000 pounds; and

(3) a bus with a seating capacity of 24 passengers or more.

(b) For the purposes of Subsection (a)(3), seating capacity is computed in accordance with Section 502.162, except that the operator's seat is included in the computation.

Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, Sec. 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995.


Sec. 521.001. DEFINITIONS.

(a) In this chapter:

(4) "Gross combination weight rating" has the meaning assigned by Section 522.003.

(5) "Gross vehicle weight rating" has the meaning assigned by Section 522.003.



Sec. 522.003. DEFINITIONS.

In this chapter:

(17) "Gross combination weight rating" means the value specified by the manufacturer as the loaded weight of a combination or articulated vehicle or, if the manufacturer has not specified a value, the sum of the gross vehicle weight rating of the power unit and the total weight of the towed unit or units and any load on a towed unit.

(18) "Gross vehicle weight rating" means the value specified by the manufacturer as the loaded weight of a single vehicle.
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Rusty - are you agreeing or disagreeing? I don't see that the last example Barb posted (24000 + 3000) meets the criteria for needing either an A or B.

Interestingly, it appears that a combo of 15,000 lb tow and 11,000 trailer doesn't need an A either, even though the tow is over 10,000.

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Rusty - are you agreeing or disagreeing? I don't see that the last example Barb posted (24000 + 3000) meets the criteria for needing either an A or B.

Interestingly, it appears that a combo of 15,000 lb tow and 11,000 trailer doesn't need an A either, even though the tow is over 10,000.

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I'm agreeing that a 24,000 GCWR or GVWR MH would not need anything more than a Class C to tow a 3,000 lb toad, or any towed load up to 10,000 lbs.

And you're right - that's what I've been saying. UNLESS the truck's GCWR as rated by the manufacturer is 26,001 lbs or greater, a Class A isn't required regardless of the weight of the towed load per 521.081 (2). However, IF the manufacturer didn't give a GCWR rating, then per 522.003 (17), the tow vehicle's GVWR will be added to the weight of the towed load to determine a GCWR. IF that calculated GCWR is 26,001 lbs or greater, and IF the towed load has a GVWR of more than 10,000 lbs, a Class A would be required per 521.081 (2).

That is why so many trucks have a 26,000 lb GCWR - to stay under the Class A threshold.

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I know nothing about trucks and 5ers. Can I ask what the GCWR is for your 3500? And how much does your 5er weigh? IOW, does someone with a large 5er and a truck rated to pull it safely/comfortably require a Class A? Looking at the current Newmar, anything larger than a 36' gasser requires a B, including all the diesel pushers.

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I know nothing about trucks and 5ers. Can I ask what the GCWR is for your 3500? 26,000 lbs. GCWR

And how much does your 5er weigh? 16,000 lbs. GVWR

IOW, does someone with a large 5er and a truck rated to pull it safely/comfortably require a Class A? Mine is the upper limit for a Class C since Dodge intentionally kept the GCWR below 26,001 lbs for my truck's particular configuration. The new MaxTow package would require a Class A.

Looking at the current Newmar, anything larger than a 36' gasser requires a B, including all the diesel pushers.

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See comments above.

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Rusty,

I think we've been arguing the same side of the question!

It is the "IFs" that can get people in trouble.

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