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Old 09-17-2016, 05:37 AM   #29
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So....what are you going to buy?
The Forest River Berkshire 38A. Great floor plan with dinette and couch on the patio side, bath and half, largest kitchen I've ever seen. And they put it on a raised rail chassis!

I was also looking at the Cross Country 404FW a duplicate of the Berkshire floor plan. But the Berkshire won the day! I'll be ordering it in February so I can pick it up as close to April 1st as I can!
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Old 09-17-2016, 06:16 AM   #30
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I really like the 38a...great floor plan but when I checked the ncc sticker I was shocked...little over 2000lbs:(. That made it a deal breaker for me. Wish the had a 38a floor plan on the xl line
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Hey Gtsum2,

2000 pounds, are you sure? You add in four grown ups and a couple kids and you're about there. Why have a slide out tray and basement storage if you can't use it? That must also be true of the 404FW as well. Maybe even worse being 2 feet longer!

Is there anywhere you can go to find the carry weight of all coaches?
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Old 09-17-2016, 08:45 AM   #32
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This carrying weight is an important subject and I'll bet if you talked to 10 motorhome owners you'd find 8 different answers of how to figure it? It's not only an important subject!

"IT'S A DANGEROUS ONE"!

Come on Harry you've gone to the chicken little side now;

"The sky is falling, the sky is falling"!

Well maybe so. All I know is I've read and have seen numerous videos telling me the main reason for tire blowout on a motorhome is;

• Coach is overweight and
• Under inflated tires!


Have you checked the loaded weight of your coach?
Have you checked the axle weight and the weight on each tire?


It could save your life and people around you! I'll take the Chicken Little approach on this one!
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2000 pounds, are you sure? You add in four grown ups and a couple kids and you're about there. Why have a slide out tray and basement storage if you can't use it? That must also be true of the 404FW as well. Maybe even worse being 2 feet longer!



Is there anywhere you can go to find the carry weight of all coaches?


Saw the sticker for a 2016 on the lot. I was working myself up to trade the toy hauler in and go dp until I saw that. It was like 2400lbs or something like that. I have 3000 ncc on my toy hauler and know we travel with about 1800lbs added weight (clothes, food, gear, pots and pans and 1/3-1/2 fresh water, etc...). When rzr is in there I am actually over by about 200lbs (3200lbs added to th) if I don't lower my fresh water I'm carrying. Obviously this is without any human weight on board.

It's a shame really, as I think the 38a is a nice coach for the money. Bath and half and bunks are exactly what I want...The cc just killed it for me.

As such, I'm now looking for larger bath and half and bunk model with adequate ncc (5000lbs or so) and true 10k towing...all of which leads to much higher prices rigs....and the main reason I don't have one yet! I wish they offered a 38a floor plan on the Berkshire xl chassis.
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Looks nice but you're not getting your fireplace.
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Looks nice but you're not getting your fireplace.
Hi Twogypsies,

Yes, the fireplace is a must have! We really liked the 38B best with the front salon and TV and fireplace right across from the couch. Berkshire knowing that's what I wanted went ahead and canceled it. How rude!

It's all a tradeoff isn't it Twogypsies? I first wrote down what was important to me. Then I wrote down what I must have. Then I wrote down what I can live with. Now my last page just says, fill in the blanks!

Don't take for a moment I'm complaining? I've enjoyed the search and everything I've found out along the way. But I'm ready for my coach now and getting out and meeting all you good folks who have been so helpful to me!
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Hey Twogypsies, I just re-read your post. I'm getting the fireplace on the 38A. Or are you talking to someone else?
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Harry, the carrying capacity is something that Forest River has had an issue with going all the way back to my 2011. When I complained about my cc which was around 1900 pounds they responded very well. They had me drive to Freightliner in Gaffney, SC, where FR paid for six new tires and new front air bags. My CC is now about 5,000 pounds so now I don't have to leave one of the kids at home, lol!
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Wow wnytaxman, talking about an expensive fix for Forest River! I don't get it, why would a coach builder knowing they're so close to max weight, not do something about it?

If Gtsum2, had't mentioned it I'd of had no idea and wouldn't have even given it a thought. Man oh man the stuff you have to know getting into this motorhome business!
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Wow wnytaxman, talking about an expensive fix for Forest River! I don't get it, why would a coach builder knowing they're so close to max weight, not do something about it?

If Gtsum2, had't mentioned it I'd of had no idea and wouldn't have even given it a thought. Man oh man the stuff you have to know getting into this motorhome business!
Glad to hear you have decided on a brand and model and are getting into it.

IMO we are so used to purchasing cars and light trucks we make a lot of assumptions. I really wonder if we looked into the capacity of some of the vehicles we are purchasing to transport our families to various functions if we would be surprised or shocked.
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OK - So I did come back to this thread!

Great point for those reading thru the Class A forum while researching coaches, to point out how important it is to really do your research and understand the loads of a specific coach.

Over the years, many coaches, made from good manufactures, left the factory with the front axle already at load capacity. (Not to pick on Newmar, as I feel they are one of the better manufactures, but they had a few coaches that met this criteria.)

Usually, two key things need to be checked:

1) Overall CCC (What you should be able to add weight wise for your personal items, and bodies.)
2) Front axle weight. Kind of a Catch 22, as some coaches may have mathematically say 2000 pounds of CCC, but with steer axle at max load unladen - it makes it very hard to pack anything that does not put you up and over the steer axle's weight limits.)

A few of the key criteria on our search for a coach, and on our spread sheet, was to check the weight capability, and since you mentioned kitchen - I'll share that that was one of my wife main criteria in a coach too. She also wanted non slide kitchen (Though moving plumbing is really not that much of an issue with a good built coach. But, it still is a higher opportunity for future maintenance issues.), but more so for the added cabinet space. Slides consume up to ~6" of upper cabinet space. We even modified one of our upper kitchen cabinets, to add a third shelf of about 6", for some items not used too often.

Our coach has over 11,000 pounds of CCC. We specifically went with a two drivers side only coach (We have a favorite campground with rather skinny sites!), and the kitchen counter is over 9' long, with very useable counter real estate!

Another one of my 'So what?' posts? Well not really, just a few examples of how important it is for a protective buyer to really think about what is important to them in a coach. And shop until you find what covers those important items to you.

Bu the way, out of the 1000 + LP's I bought from a reformed Radio DJ's collection (He worked in San Francisco from mid 60's thru early 80's. Had over 5000 LP's in his collection. Some never released music too. Wife said they had to go before they moved to downsized housing in 2009. He would sell them in lots of 500, at 1$ each. Would not select anything specific, starting in the A's and working his way thru to the Z's. My 1000, included E so have myself some Elvis LP's! Hi Fi is my hobby (Got Tubes?), and when we're home from this trip, I will spin some Elvis. (Can't do this often, as my MIL lives in our 'vacation home' with us. Love her, but she can not listen to music without singing along, well - we assume it is singing - with he song!

Elvis lives, and does Buddy Holly, and others too... Music, really can cross generations. Now, who is this foreigner called Mozart?

Best to all,
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