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Old 04-08-2016, 10:48 AM   #85
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Question..... What price are you talking about for a "tricked out" front engine gasser????

The reason for my question is this - I purchased a 40' diesel FR Berkshire with four slides that was two years old with only 16K miles on it for only $89K.... I'd be surprised if you could find a similar equipped gasser for a great deal less...

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Depends on the year, you say it was two years old but you don't say when you bought it. During the recession you could pick up a two year old gas MH for a lot less than they were worth as people were dumping MH's of any kind at a loss to avoid a repossession. What year is your MH.
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Old 04-08-2016, 10:55 AM   #86
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. If you can't put your EGO aside then don't participate, it's just that simple. Lets try to remain on topic before the Moderators do it for us.
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This is the topic and I don't think anybody's egos are in the way. I haven't seen anything here that I think the moderators would object to other than a healthy debate of sorts. I've said it many times, there is no right or wrong or better, it's all a matter of choice and what works best for the purchaser. The noise level either way had nothing to do with our decision buying a Gas or Diesel, it was all about what worked for us at the time.
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Old 04-08-2016, 11:30 AM   #87
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Question..... What price are you talking about for a "tricked out" front engine gasser????

The reason for my question is this - I purchased a 40' diesel FR Berkshire with four slides that was two years old with only 16K miles on it for only $89K.... ....

Didn't you buy your 2008 model (manufactured in 2007) in 2011?
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Didn't you buy your 2008 model (manufactured in 2007) in 2011?
That would make more sense, you have to compare apples to apples and the year it was made, and the year it was purchased used has a lot to do with the price. At that time you could buy a nice used gas MH, of the same year, for the low $40's, or less depending on how bad they needed to get rid of it. During that time people were out of work, or had no money to even use their MH's so they were just sitting, which accounts for the low mileage and great condition.
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That would make more sense, you have to compare apples to apples and the year it was made, and the year it was purchased used has a lot to do with the price. At that time you could buy a nice used gas MH, of the same year, for the low $40's, or less depending on how bad they needed to get rid of it. During that time people were out of work, or had no money to even use their MH's so they were just sitting, which accounts for the low mileage and great condition.

Yes,that was certainly a buyers market when the market crashed and fuel was twice as expensive. People were giving them away just to unload the expense
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For some reason people seem to get very defensive around here if you don't see things exactly the same way they do . We all know there are plenty of nice things about a DP. But for some people , some of those nice things aren't worth the extra expense , at least not for them . The noise a gas engine makes while climbing a hill is obviously louder than a DP, but for some , either the noise really doesn't worry them that much , or they don't spend slit of time in the hills.
The expense argument is rather silly . Yes we all know , generally speaking a diesel has a longer lifespan , however it does need maintenance & repairs . Generally speaking , most any parts store has the parts for servicing a gas chassis, most any repair shop can work on the gas chassis , assuming the ship has a large enough area for it . Not generally the case with a DP.
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For some reason people seem to get very defensive around here if you don't see things exactly the same way they do . We all know there are plenty of nice things about a DP. But for some people , some of those nice things aren't worth the extra expense , at least not for them . The noise a gas engine makes while climbing a hill is obviously louder than a DP, but for some , either the noise really doesn't worry them that much , or they don't spend slit of time in the hills.
The expense argument is rather silly . Yes we all know , generally speaking a diesel has a longer lifespan , however it does need maintenance & repairs . Generally speaking , most any parts store has the parts for servicing a gas chassis, most any repair shop can work on the gas chassis , assuming the ship has a large enough area for it . Not generally the case with a DP.
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Bigger more expensive toy's seem to call for bigger garage's, and bigger dollar parts...............that follow the price tag. Most just take them to a Cummins/Cat/Allison dealer when needed...........and they have the parts. And for those that do their own work like me.............Dealers are within reasonable reach most every where. I call and order, they ship directly to my house. Expansive parts and some very large/heavy parts........



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Engine noise - DP vs gasser

The key here is how you use your coach. If you take weekend trips and an occasional longer trip usually in the 500 - 1,000 miles range, a gas MH will most likely fill your needs. If you do longer trips, both in miles and time consider a DP. You also need to look at where you live. Florida is mostly flat, Colorado, not so. If you are in Cali you know what the Grapevine is and why you want the power of a DP. The prior posters have hit many good points, the amenities in gas and DP MHs have come much closer. The finer, more expensive options still remain in DP's, but do we really need mirrored ceilings, or polished cabinets after you have slogged through mud to enter your coach?

If you are a full timer, or a "most of the timer", you want more space and comfort. I retired a few years ago, we are one of those "most of the timers", we found 38' was the right size for us. We have been from coast to coast 5 times in the last 5 years. We did a 13,000 mile trip to Alaska last year. We prefer the power, comfort and quiet of a DP. We will go coast to coast twice more this coming winter, Cape Cod to LA and back. The quiet, power and amenities of a DP are the right answer for us, that may or may not be the right answer for you.

You need to examine your needs and habits. One other thing to consider, how many gas powered long haul truckers do you see, there is a reason. If you are going to spend time traveling the USA, think long and hard about what you have read in the last 5 pages of posts, GOOD LUCK!
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Drive both, know how you are going to use the rig, and how much you want to pay for a given benefit.

My wife and I drove a Miramar gasser and a Fleetwood DP of about the same size. Same day, same weather conditions, same road.

The DP was quieter from the engine noise point of view, but we weren't crazy about the whine of the air compressor on occasion for the DP.

We went with gas for a couple of reasons.

The V10, when it is not accelerating is not all that loud, and we have no problem talking at a normal volume, with the radio on cruising on down the road.

As you already know, there is a big difference in the price. That's a factor for us because we are vacationers, not full timers.

From a ride perspective, we are happy with how the Miramar compared with a DP ride. It's a 2016 chassis, if that helps with details. To be clear, neither my wife nor I could "feel it" in such a way that the benefit was worth the cost to us.

You might want to check this out: http://www.gonewiththewynns.com/gas-rv-squeaks-rattles-engine-noise

When I first came across the Wynns, I was convinced they were all about diesels. They seem to like their new Gas rig and are making changes to fit their needs.

In particular - they actually measured the sound levels in the rig and the engine noise was just about the same as the road noise, which is precisely what my wife and I found.

I'll make some changes the Wynns recommend on sound deadening but we are happy with our choice.

All the best to you as well!
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Just a thought . Cost is s factor for many full timers also .
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