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Old 03-18-2015, 10:12 AM   #43
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Just to avoid confusion, I think you may have meant you press the THROTTLE pedal to deactivate the exhaust brake when using the BrakeSwitch.

WOW! Bob, you're absolutely right! I just corrected that! Thanks!
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Old 03-18-2015, 10:39 AM   #44
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You NEVER ride the brakes in any large RV. That is a sure way of losing brake control completely.

Also my Exhaust Brake activates when I completely remove my foot from the fuel treadle, NOT when I ride the brake pedal.

When descending a grade with the Exhaust Brake working, when your speed increases to a level where the transmission is about to up-shift, that's when you TROUNCE on the brake pedal HARD to reduce your speed 8-10 mph. Once you reach your aim speed remove your foot from the brake pedal.

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I agree

That is known as "snub braking"...(information and videos can be found by doing an online search for "snub braking video").

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Unless in slow, stop and go city traffic, I leave mine on with the cruise control on. That puts the transmission in "latch" mode, which kicks in the exhaust brake only when I apply the brake--otherwise, it coast.
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Old 03-18-2015, 11:35 AM   #46
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Exhaust brake on all the time except in slow urban traffic.

I think this helps keep it from freezing closed over time.

Lube the PacBrake 1x per year.

Plays well with the cruise control.

Both are 20 years old so maybe they have learned to work together?
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Old 03-18-2015, 01:24 PM   #47
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I've evolved a bit with some experience with my 1 step EB. Also, my toad has a 65 MPH tow limit so that also plays a part in my choices.

Assuming road conditions aren't wet, icy...

NORMALLY:

1. EB and Cruise Control (CC) are both ON when at cruise speed on open/restricted access roads. This also assumes everyone is moving along at a normal clip.

2. EB and CC are ON in rolling hills. The EB will kick in at 3 MPH above CC. Since I normally cruse at 60-62 MPH that minimizes additional braking to control max tow speed.

3. EB & CC are both off in stop & go traffic.

4. EB on, CC off on steep down hills. I use brake & throttle to control EB actions. (I am thinking about some of the options pointed out by others about ECM changes.)

The worst case situation besides icy/snowy roads is a steep decline in wet conditions. I think one has to carefully consider the possibility of breaking traction with a sudden application of EB. Those of you with multiple settings might have less of a concern with a low setting. Regardless of the EB configuration, In such a case it would seem that the most appropriate actions would be to ensure the coach brakes were used to get the coach to the desired speed before activating the EB. After that it would be very important to apply snub braking a little more quickly and frequently then on dry road conditions. The advantage of snub braking is that if the toad also has brakes you get those in play and your ABS is also activated.

I've taken to heart the concern about glazing of brakes if not used on a regular, significant basis. I tend to turn the EB off as I us exit ramps and "exercise" my brakes at those times. I brake as hard as I can without being stupid about it. This seems to have worked well in stopping brake squeal.
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My feeling is that the exhaust brake maintains my speed going down without using the brakes.If I have to ride the brake pedal to activate the exhaust brake won't the brakes heat up?I like being in control and turning the switch on and off myself.Mine stays on most of the time unless I am in slow city traffic or slippery.
All you have to do is touch the brake to engage the engine brake. Personally, I think they should put the on/off sw. In the rear closet so you can't get to it while driving. Far too much concern. It's like which car do you drive. Unless it's slick turn it on and forget about it.
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All you have to do is touch the brake to engage the engine brake. Personally, I think they should put the on/off sw. In the rear closet so you can't get to it while driving. Far too much concern. It's like which car do you drive. Unless it's slick turn it on and forget about it.
Hi Noel, how does yours work when using your cruise control? Will it(EB) maintain your speed set point? As soon as you hit your brakes to slow/engage the engine brake, does the transmission downshift?
Just wondering?
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Hi Noel, how does yours work when using your cruise control? Will it(EB) maintain your speed set point? As soon as you hit your brakes to slow/engage the engine brake, does the transmission downshift?
Just wondering?
Depends on your speed. It sets up the transmission with the capability of downshifting. The more you slow the mh with the brakes the more the tranny will downshift, within the parameters of not over speeding the engine.
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Depends on your speed. It sets up the transmission with the capability of downshifting. The more you slow the mh with the brakes the more the tranny will downshift, within the parameters of not over speeding the engine.
What sets what up? Does your engine brake hold/maintain your set speed when on cruise control? Capability of downshifting? can you control this? I understand that the transmission will downshift per the Allison shift program. Just wondering how it works as far as maintaining your cruise set point.......Thank you......
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Many (most) communities around here have signs that say "Use of exhaust brakes prohibited". A couple weeks ago, I saw a LEO parked about 50 feet beyond one of the signs. Has this been an issue for anybody or is the noise level too low to cause a problem.
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Many (most) communities around here have signs that say "Use of exhaust brakes prohibited". A couple weeks ago, I saw a LEO parked about 50 feet beyond one of the signs. Has this been an issue for anybody or is the noise level too low to cause a problem.
These Coach's are really muffled Scott, if you were to install a "Aero Muffler"(Straight through) and use your engine brake, it would be loud! and might get you in trouble, those signs/laws were installed for trucks with straight pipes that did not have enough common sense to not use their engine brake within city limits, and at night when folks are sleeping..........I have never heard/read of anyone with a Coach fined/pulled over for using the engine brake in city limits.......
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Many (most) communities around here have signs that say "Use of exhaust brakes prohibited". A couple weeks ago, I saw a LEO parked about 50 feet beyond one of the signs. Has this been an issue for anybody or is the noise level too low to cause a problem.

I've thought those signs referred to the Jake brake that is very loud. The exhaust brake (retarder) I don't think increases the exhaust noise - or does it? Any how I've had exhaust brake for about 15 years & well over 100K miles and have not paid attention to those signs - either it is OK for the exhaust brake or I have been lucky.
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Most all signs state "Engine brake"

Which, means all forms of engine braking..........
Hers one for Scott.........
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There is no way anyone can hear when my PacBrake Exhaust Brake is working.

I don't pay any attention to those signs.

In fact if my coach had a Jake Engine Brake I would take bets that you'd be hard pressed to hear that too when it is working.

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