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Old 07-18-2016, 01:46 PM   #1
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Am looking at new Michelin tires using the FMCA program. I have used before but this time I noticed a significant difference in the price for 235 80 22.5 tires. One was 399.90 and was noted as XRV 235 80 22.5 LRG. The other was 269.90 and listed as XRV 235 80 22.5 LRG MI DTO. So both appear to be Load Range G. I have figured out that DTO means dual tire only, but both Michelin and FMCA did not know what the MI meant. AM concerned about a difference in quality from one to the other. Anyone else experience this? Thanks in advance for your reply.

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Old 07-18-2016, 06:14 PM   #2
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Not sure what you are looking at. AFAIK, you don't see the final price until the tires are installed using the FMCA Michelin program. Michelin is the only maker of the 235/80R22.5 size tire so how can they not know about what you see?
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Not sure what you are looking at. AFAIK, you don't see the final price until the tires are installed using the FMCA Michelin program. Michelin is the only maker of the 235/80R22.5 size tire so how can they not know about what you see?
Not knowing the price until you get them mounted is baloney. You will know the price of the tires when you call for info. The only thing that you will pay for extra is the mounting and balancing.

I have used the program and it works just like they say it will. There is no "shady" hidden prices.
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The program will provide a good idea of the tire price. Total out the door price with mounting, balancing, taxes, etc. will be provided by the installer before the work is done.
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Not knowing the price until you get them mounted is baloney. You will know the price of the tires when you call for info. The only thing that you will pay for extra is the mounting and balancing.

I have used the program and it works just like they say it will. There is no "shady" hidden prices.
I don't care for, or eat, baloney and "shady" is your word, not mine.

I was not even remotely trying to cast doubt on the FMCA program. I'm a long-standing member of FMCA, and have nothing bad to say at all about any of "our" benefits. Sorry you apparently misunderstood my post questioning where the OP was seeing two prices.

Apparently Michelin & FMCA have made changes since I last used the program, but, a few years back you could only get a quote from the installer/dealer for the mounting/balancing charges. You did not know the exact amount for the tires until MICHELIN provided an invoice and processed their charges against the CC you had to provide to Michelin when ordering the tires.

If you can explain to me or the OP about "why" he is seeing two different prices when, AFAIK, Michelin only makes ONE tire in that size, I wish you would. Just don't put in more words in my mouth.
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The tire prices are on the FMCA website, the mounting and installation price is NOT. That is where you guys are miscommunicating.
FWIW, FMCA states on their website to compare tire pricing, because sometimes the same tire shop that does the mounting can sell you the same tire for less than the Michelin/FMCA discounted price.
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The tire prices are on the FMCA website, the mounting and installation price is NOT. That is where you guys are miscommunicating.
FWIW, FMCA states on their website to compare tire pricing, because sometimes the same tire shop that does the mounting can sell you the same tire for less than the Michelin/FMCA discounted price.
Ray, you are correct, but the format of the "pricing" certainly does not make a specific tire size easy to find.

ALSO in the program's description on the FMCA website I found the info pasted below, which I believe confirms the comment I made in my first post above, which was misunderstood by at least one member here.

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Any fees for mounting, balancing, and tire disposal are extra and quoted locally by the servicing dealer, so those fees are not included in the program.

The customer must also pay the state and local sales taxes that apply in the jurisdiction in which the tires are purchased.

The tire purchase must be paid for with a credit card — VISA, MasterCard or American Express — at the servicing dealership. Michelin’s corporate office will charge the credit card the discounted price. FMCA will then send the member — via e-mail — a copy of the invoice that reflects the total with the Advantage Program tire price.
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Thanks for the replies. My original question was not about price though. I only used that to show the difference based on how the tires are listed/coded on the FMCA website. Does anyone know what the coding MI DTO means? Is there a difference in quality?
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........................AFAIK, you don't see the final price until the tires are installed using the FMCA Michelin program.............


This is the statement that I said was baloney. I and everyone else will know exactly what the tires will cost before installation. The only variable not known at time of tire invoicing is the cost of mounting,balancing, and disposal fees. Those can be found out beforehand simply by calling the installing dealer
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This is the statement that I said was baloney. I and everyone else will know exactly what the tires will cost before installation. The only variable not known at time of tire invoicing is the cost of mounting,balancing, and disposal fees. Those can be found out beforehand simply by calling the installing dealer
My statement that the final price is not known is BASED ON the portion of the process which I copied from the FMCA site and pasted above. That was my understanding of "when" the final tire price is "known". As I said, my past experience was that the installer/dealer claimed THEY did not know what Michelin would ultimately charge me, but perhaps that has changed over the years, I really don't know.

What really got my goat was that you implied I was accusing FMCA/Michelin of "SHADY" practices, and I certainly did not use that word-you did- apparently based on your misunderstanding of what I originally wrote.
Hopefully we can at least agree that the FMCA/Michelin tire program benefit is an excellent way to buy tires without getting overcharged by a dealer.
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Thanks for the replies. My original question was not about price though. I only used that to show the difference based on how the tires are listed/coded on the FMCA website. Does anyone know what the coding MI DTO means? Is there a difference in quality?
Sorry, but no I do not. I have never even heard of the DTO designation, and can't imagine why Michelin would bother to create a tire that should only be used in a dual application. I believe that "most" tires are weight de-rated (at the same pressure) when used in a dual application, as opposed to running the same tire as a single. You can confirm that statement by looking at the pressure/weight rating charts.

As for the "MI", you may have to contact Michelin USA to learn what that indicates.

Please let us know if you find the answers to your questions.
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"Hopefully we can at least agree that the FMCA/Michelin tire program benefit is an excellent way to buy tires without getting overcharged by a dealer."

Yes, we can agree on this. Case closed
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