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Old 01-12-2013, 09:31 AM   #15
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Mostly what I have read on the Internet suggests that unless you either have the Argon or vacuum process used you will probably have limited success doing the fix yourself. I would love to DIY but don't need another project that just results in my spending more money to have it professionally done.

Wonder if I remove the windows myself if I can just get a good glass shop in town to do the rebuild? It is a looooong drive to the shops that advertise that they do this specifically for RV's.

For everyone's reference here are links to the two RV specific shops that I've seen mentioned the most:
In Hudson, FL - - Suncoast Designers | RV Window Repair, Custom Windows Designed and Built in Hudson, FL
In Little Rock, AR - RV Fog Doctor - Repairing Fogged, Streaked and Discolored RV Windows
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I'm planning on doing the Dave Root thing myself as like MandG-Fun says those of us in CO are a long way from anyone who does this.

If you find anyone in Denver/CO Springs please pass on the info' I'd rather have it done by a pro. Hard to believe a major metro area like Denver doesn't have someone.
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Old 01-12-2013, 09:53 AM   #17
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I'm planning on doing the Dave Root thing myself as like MandG-Fun says those of us in CO are a long way from anyone who does this.

If you find anyone in Denver/CO Springs please pass on the info' I'd rather have it done by a pro. Hard to believe a major metro area like Denver doesn't have someone.
Nice TJ in your avatar. Looks like a pretty challenging obstacle. There's lots of great wheeling in your area. We bought our TJ from a guy in Durango a few years back but haven't yet gotten to your area to play. Now that we have the coach (just bought it last month) we can bring the Jeep when we go camping... finally!

I'll definitely let you know if I find a glass guy. I can't believe there isn't a professional glass shop in the area that does thermopane rebuilds. Can't see how it would matter if they are RV specialists. I've got no issue removing the window and reinstalling, in fact I prefer doing that much myself.
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Old 01-12-2013, 12:50 PM   #18
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This one of those times I'd love to be wrong. Know nothing about the kit, but most glass in a MH is going to be double pane. How do you get the moisture that's already there 'out?'
Don't have double pane windows but I had a thought for those that do have a problem with moisture between the panes. Welding stainless pipe sometimes requires the use of an inert purge gas on the inside while welding to prevent oxidation of the weld on the inside. The inert gas could be argon, dry nitrogen or a combination of.
Using this concept, with VERY low pressure and flow rates and inflatable needles(like those for a football) one could introduce a purge between the panes of glass for a period of time to remove the moisture, then immediately sealing the holes made by the needles with a butyl caulk material. Introduce the gas at the bottom of the window pane and allow it to come out at the top. Do not build up any pressure between the panes of gas. Your just replacing the moist air with a dry, inert gas. This would require the removal of the window to allow the needles to be inserted thru the gasket between the two pieces of glass. Attaching the gas supply to the needle would take some ingenuity, making sure there was a precise method of controlling the flow to a very small amount(like just a leak). Just a thought.
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If you do decide to repair your own, be sure to use new spacers of the correct thickness. The spacer material helps absorb moisture during the life of the window seal repair. The dave root kit includes new spacers from what I read, but you can also usually find the sealant and spacers on amazon.com. Fred
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Had ours rebuilt in Florida at Suncoast Designers. Cost 250 for the drivers and 200 for each one after that.
5 year prorated warranty at 20% a year
No gas required, dust dehydrated air, with no pressurization.

For the guys in the SW and the DIY crowd,,,, if there is low humidity when you seal your glass and you have no leaks in the seal then its your lucky day.

I would not try it anywhere but a very low humidity location. Do it in Florida on a 90% rh day and I think the air between panes will hold 90% humidity and you will most probably see fogging again

Just my humble opinion and thoughts, yours may differ and that's OK.
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Gas is not used between panes of glass in RV's because of the twisting, flexing and vibration they are subjected to in normal operation. As a sometime contractor for home remodel, when asked, I did not recommend inert gas in ANY dual paned windows in stick homes as the life time of those units just didn't seem up to par in my experience. A properly sealed dual paned window, with dry air between the panes was hard to beat for long life span.

In an RV, with all the abuse on the road, and the wild variations of humidity and pressure, even over a single day, leaks are likely. But when doing a 'rework' of such windows, I still think that dry air, at a slight positive pressure, is best. For a dual paned window to operate efficiently as an insulator (poor as it is at best), it only needs a 'DEAD air space' between the panes. All the fancy stuff, like noble gases, wouldn't really gain much for an RV. And a vacuum only invites moisture to invade after the next large road bump.

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No problem in Colorado having ambient dry air when doing the rebuild, so that is not an issue for those of us intending to DIY. Two issues that I would need to consider... 1) I am at 6,700' so I certainly won't have positive pressure when I travel to lower elevations, 2) not sure how long the windows have had the moisture captured in them so they may be stained. I'll need some way to clean them. I saw stuff called Spot-X for cleaning water spots on glass that has good reviews.

Anyone have any thoughts or recommendations?
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Foggy window repair

Please look at mine and others comments regarding our experience with Dave Root out of Oregon and the repairs they make or the kits you can buy from him. He has a better quality, I believe, than the RV manufactures have in that the new seals and spacer he uses is of much better quality. Also other than repairing your windows by taking the panels out and separating the glass and taking our the old spacer seals and cleaning and polishing the glass, any moisture is minimized by putting glass in a warm and dry environment, the seals contain a Desiccant drying material that pulls out any remaining residule moisture if any. So the"dead" air trapped between the newly sealed window panes stays fog free if the work was done properly.

So use the search on the site to look up eveyones comments about blown window seals, foggy windows or even searching under Dave Root to bring up users comments about his work, or process or the materials he sells to those that want to do the work themselves.
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If you know the manufacurer of your windows, call them. I did mine by calling and ordering new glass units. Each pane comes sealed,assembled. Just removed frames. discard old glass and install new ones. They walked me thru the measuring process to make sure I got the right glass. All fit perfect. They drop shipped because UPS would have been WAY to expensive for the weight I was getting. I did 4 panes in the driver area and the door.
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It seems that 7 windows in my 2006 Fleetwood Revolution LE fogged up within the last 6 months. I called Sun coast in Florida, and got an estimate for $1650 to repair all 7 windows. With adding $1700 in fuel cost from Texas and back, it was cheaper to order all new windows with frames and gaskets from Fleetwood. My plans are to change them myself. Any suggestions?


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It seems that 7 windows in my 2006 Fleetwood Revolution LE fogged up within the last 6 months. I called Sun coast in Florida, and got an estimate for $1650 to repair all 7 windows. With adding $1700 in fuel cost from Texas and back, it was cheaper to order all new windows with frames and gaskets from Fleetwood. My plans are to change them myself. Any suggestions?


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Bobby,

Sorry if my suggestion is not related to DIY... here's another potential option versus driving to FL... how far are you from Little Rock, AR? If you are hesitant about a DIY project you may want to get a quote from RV Fog Dr. In looking at their website and hearing some other posters they should be a consideration in your decision making process. Just another option.

Good luck and let us all know how your project works out.

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