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Old 03-15-2016, 01:15 PM   #15
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D Lindy, I understand your situation. How is your steer axle and gross vehicle weight?
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Oh my steer is GREAT with empty water tank I still had almost 2000lbs I could put there. Only problem was there wasn't much more then cloths in the back of the coach, and bare minimum of gear in the basement. I think that it's pretty much an inherent issue with a lot of 40' non tag axle pushers, with the engine setting that far behind the rear axle. It's not like I could slide the rear axle to balance the weight like I could with trailer tandems.
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Old 03-15-2016, 06:03 PM   #17
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Old 03-15-2016, 06:45 PM   #18
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It's not always the hitch that is the limiting factor, I was also looking for a 10k hitch to replace my 6k, now I'm on a Freightliner, but Freightliner saidvthe frame was good for 10k, so I find a 10k hitch. And it's the exact same one but with a 10k sticker, they lowered my rating to 6k because of the Gvcw. Just check all the numbers
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Old 03-15-2016, 08:29 PM   #19
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I wouldnt worry a bit going up to 6700 on the 5k. Ive towed a cargo trailer in a similar weight range for over 150,000 miles between two different motorhomes and barely know its back there. Oh I know everbody says its dangerous and wait till you get in an accident an insurance is involved and stress on this and that. For that kind of difference I wont loose any sleep over it.
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Old 03-16-2016, 01:14 AM   #20
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W3BY, I am having no luck finding a 7,500# or 10,000# hitch that will bolt on my MH. Having a welding shop build one for me or reinforce the one I have seems to be the only answer. That or switch towed vehicles.
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Like I said, I may do it myself this summer. I asked a local trailer hitch sales store and they said they didn't need the work, told me to take to a fab shop. Local fab shops want big jobs and the few welders in Southern Maryland I called and scheduled an estimate with never make their appointments.

I will purchase a standard Class IV hitch and either drill it to the frame or weld it in place along with stiffeners for the 2' frame extensions. I have seen several great upgrades and as long as I can find the materials, I can put it together.
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Old 03-16-2016, 07:20 AM   #21
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Hi,

I would be more concerned about GCVW that you are allowed to tow.

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I wouldn't worry a bit going up to 6700 on the 5k. I've towed a cargo trailer in a similar weight range for over 150,000 miles between two different motor-homes and barely know its back there. Oh I know everybody says its dangerous and wait till you get in an accident an insurance is involved and stress on this and that. For that kind of difference I wont loose any sleep over it.


Axles have a rating BUT guess what, they use the same axles on different rigs but simply attach a different weight tag.

My hitch is part of the frame where the engine is mounted. If it fails my engine will be dragging on the ground, Game Over!

Ain't gonna happen.

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Could someone answer the question: If a 5,000 pound rated hitch is OK for 6,700 pounds, then what's the maximum limit for that hitch?

And, a follow-up question: When an overloaded hitch fails, what part of it will fail first, and in what manner will it fail?
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Could someone answer the question: If a 5,000 pound rated hitch is OK for 6,700 pounds, then what's the maximum limit for that hitch?

And, a follow-up question: When an overloaded hitch fails, what part of it will fail first, and in what manner will it fail?
WRT hitches, it is usually some other component in the complete system that is the limiting factor such as GCWR or axle rating or frame, or something else.

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Failures are usually due to wrong undersized bolts or poor welds.

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mojoracing: I've pulled my 6300# pickup all over the western mountains with my 5,000# hitch with no sign of stress or failure. I'm under the 26,000# GCWR and my Blue Ox Towbar is rated for 10,000 pounds so I have every confidence in my rig. The only thing that really concerns me is a lawsuit or insurance in case of an accident that involves my hitch breaking. Longshot in my opinion.



W3BY: If I could get my hitch reinforced at a reasonable cost I would do it but as you have indicated, nobody wants a little job.



Tom-NC: GCVW isn't a problem for me.


Dr4Film: Can't see that happening.


|1v3fr33ord1: 5,000# is the maximum the hitch is rated for. Unless you've had a failure, no one can really tell what the maximum limit is. People that use them are not likely to try and push them to failure. Your follow-up question is a good one but again not one anyone is likely to be able to answer with any accuracy. When is the last time you have heard of a hitch failing? I can't remember and I'm 69 years old and been trucking and towing all of my life. If I were to hazard a guess, which I am not, I would agree with Richard and my guess would be that it would be the bolts that fail and then only if they are allowed become loose for an extended period.
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I have a 9X3 c-channel under the rear of the rig. And I can only get a 5K hitch to install there? I have seen a 4x2 channel with a 5K hitch..... My intention will be to remove the class III hitch and weld in a Class V, since I think I found one, then I will reinforce the 9X3 c-channel with a couple 2 1/2 sq tubes about 8'long and weld along the inside of the c-channel at top and bottom. Then I will weld in a couple gussets and cross braces. I only need the extra TW because my towing weight is 4100# but with the harley close to the hitch, at 880# the TW is over the 500# of existing hitch rating.
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Flat towing a 6000 lb pickup with very low tongue weight isn't as hard on a hitch as towing a 5000 lb trailer with a 500 lb tongue weight.

The problem is, no matter what you have welded to your hitch to make it stronger, it won't change the weight rating legally unless you have it analyzed by an engineering company.
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I know of 2 people that have had their 5000 lb hitch break the back welds and the hitch fold down to where the tongue was dragging but luckily did not lose the entire hitch. Someone else had to tow the trailers home though. One of the guys had about 5000 total weight but he had probably 2000 on the tongue due to a water tank being in front of trailer and tool box. The other had about 7000lb load with a rzr pushed to the front of the trailer. Both cases was due to excessive tongue loading. I would not think a flat towed vehicle would do the same but it never hurts to visually check under the hitch and double check before each trip.
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