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Old 02-02-2010, 02:03 PM   #15
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It Tiffin had built an Allegro Bay on a UFO chassis it would have been a great coach.

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What makes forums like irv2 great is we can all express our (unilateral) opinion without worrying about the stress of face-to-face debate. And, of course, everyone is always entitled to their opinion. Personally, I've owned 4 motorhomes (and yes, one was a Foretravel RED) before buying my current Allegro FRED. You should know that I maintain my own vehicles. Although not as quiet as a RED, the FRED is quieter, at speed, than most gassers (see other studies and forums about actual db measurement comparisons of the FRED vs gassers). And, take a look at the 0-60 and 40-60 acceleration speeds. A Class A gasser cannot touch a FRED and most REDs don't come close. The FRED is far simpler (and less expensive) to maintain. No long hydraulic hoses to deteriorate, no long electrical controls, no air system leaks to hassle with, no super heavy chassis to accommodate a heavy diesel hanging aft of the rear axle. GVWR and CCC is as good, or better, with less dry weight. All this equals an easier to maintain, lighter weight vehicle (better fuel mileage - I get 10.5 w/o a tow)and, all with about the same useable space/length. For a DIY or a person that wants the power advantage of diesel along with better weight balance and safety - - particularly with shorter (and more maneuverable) lengths. The trend is for lighter weight, shorter, more fuel efficient motorhomes. To be fair, longer motorhomes have their place along with some advantages. For some, large pass throughs are necessary. You can't get that with a FRED since the driveshaft takes up most of that space. But for many of us that want a full size MH for periodic use, a FRED makes the most sense. Mine is a Model 32LA.

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Thanks Rusty! Your thoughts are exactly what went thru my mind when I bought my Allegro Bay FRED. I do all my own maintenance & after the manuf. warranty, I am the warranty. I was coming out of an '03 Class C, Ford V10. The learning curve of a diesel pusher with it's air & hydraulic systems intimidated me. I was (and still am) happy that I could get a diesel coach, with all of it's benefits (lower rpm cruising, quietness, exhaust brake, etc.) in a cahssis that I am more familiar & comfortable with. I'm very happy with my FRED
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In my opinion, the F.R.E.D. is very noisy; vibrates a lot. We test drove a Tiffin 35 QBA two years ago- terrible. Upshifts/downshifts constantly- clatter all the time and could hardly carry on a conversation. We bought the Winnebago on the Ford chassis instead and are very happy.
I'll have to test drive one or two. My old FRED is only noisy because I still have to add vibration silenced pipe hangers to my intercooler piping. When that's done it won't be noisy inside at all.
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The FRED offers a good choice and I think it will continue to increase penetration in the MH market.

Next Generation Diesels for Light duty Trucks from Detroit OEM,s are far superior to last years. The new Ford inhouse engine, The current Durmax and all the new offering in Europe will continue to offer reduced noise, greater power, with increase fuel efficiency needed in the MH market.

The new fuel economy standards VIA Washington is forcing development resources into small gas Direct Injection Gas engines, combined with electric motors.

The question is -will Navistar move into the next generation with a FRED
package that is world class in NVH, power and Fuel efficiency. In the 08-09 models I drove FREDs, 30 to 38 footers,- liked the torque, fuel was a wash with Diesel costing more at the pump. But the noise at my ear and DW (expert) said no way, That ended it.

I will look at the next Gen Diesels in FREDS if BIG MH are allowed.
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NVH = Noise,Vibration,& Harshness. ALL the things you don't want if you want to compete in the World of manufacting today .

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