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Old 09-06-2005, 03:19 AM   #1
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Well, you asked for it and now it's on it's way. Yes, first to the finish line is FreightLine with their New Front End Diesel Class "A" Chassis prodly named
"FRED", meaning = FRont End Diesel. "FRED" pretains to Class "A" Chassis only.

Production will start in November and is expected to help the Class A Motorhome buyer move to a Diesel Chassis at a price point that's very attrackive to gas. The new Chassis is powered by a Cummins 300-hp 5.9-liter diesel engine mated to an Allison 5-speed transmission and will offer a new custom-tumed Hendrickson spring ride suspension, exclusive to FreightLiner.

You wanted your cake and to eat it too, here it is with optimal power, fuel economy, and diesel durability in a Class "A" Chassis..

You can check it out at "FreightLiner Custom Chassis Corporation News"

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Well, you asked for it and now it's on it's way. Yes, first to the finish line is FreightLine with their New Front End Diesel Class "A" Chassis prodly named
"FRED", meaning = FRont End Diesel. "FRED" pretains to Class "A" Chassis only.

Production will start in November and is expected to help the Class A Motorhome buyer move to a Diesel Chassis at a price point that's very attrackive to gas. The new Chassis is powered by a Cummins 300-hp 5.9-liter diesel engine mated to an Allison 5-speed transmission and will offer a new custom-tumed Hendrickson spring ride suspension, exclusive to FreightLiner.

You wanted your cake and to eat it too, here it is with optimal power, fuel economy, and diesel durability in a Class "A" Chassis..

You can check it out at "FreightLiner Custom Chassis Corporation News"

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Old 09-06-2005, 06:24 AM   #3
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See Tiffin/Fred Update for an earlier thread on this sibject.
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Old 09-21-2005, 01:52 PM   #4
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Frieghtliner had this chassis on display last week at the Pennsylvania RV Show in Hershey, PA. I should have taken a photo.
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Old 09-23-2005, 03:58 AM   #5
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Gulfstream announced the upcharge on their Sunvoyager gas chassis to FRED- $24,000!
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Old 09-24-2005, 08:46 AM   #6
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gold:
Gulfstream announced the upcharge on their Sunvoyager gas chassis to FRED- $24,000! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>The WCC W24 w/ the SSC package is looking better all the time.
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Old 09-25-2005, 12:20 PM   #7
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Who would buy a front engined diesel?? They tried those in the late 80's and early 90's and they were a bust.
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Old 09-28-2005, 06:44 AM   #8
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I'm looking at a good used diesel push. What is the advantage of "front end" Seems to me the noise problem up front would deter from it being very popular.

Any comments.
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Old 09-29-2005, 06:17 PM   #9
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Until we can actually test drive one and know for ourselves, the benifits will be high torque/power, ecomony, long last engine and less maintenance.
I don't think any manufacture will produce a coach with the "FRED" Front End Diesel and not make sure it is quiet. The new diesel engines are far more quieter then those of years past. You'll have the benift of the lates technology at your finger tips.

You can go to FreightLiners web Site[www.freightlinerchassis.com/Press_detail.asp] and read the specs for yourself, then go test drive one. I'm sure they'll welcome you with open doors.

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Somehow I stil feel the "fred" will have less appear than a pusher. First, the front mount adds the need for a long driveshaft and this burns up horsepower in the transfer of energy. Second, it puts more weight on the front axle. Most MH already are front end heavy. A design fault that they can't get around because of the placement of sinks water tanks, refrigerators etc.

The rear engine helps with the weight distribution quite a lot. It also eliminates the need for a long and heavy exhaust pipe from front to rear.

I realize that highway tractors have been using front end diesels for years but these frames are not nearly as long in wheelbase and have far less unsprung weight.

Innovation is good so I'm not going to thumbs down the idea until they get some MH mfg feedback and the unit is available for testing.

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I think most school buses have had front end diesels for many years and they give good service. Ed
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There's lots of conjecture at this point. Until they hit the dealer lots we won't have a real accurate idea as to how they'll be. I have talked to a dealer who test drove one of the Allegro Bay FRED prototypes at the Tiffin factory and the report is that it is surpisingly quiet for a front engine diesel. It is purported to yield some pretty serious fuel economy improvements and the 600 ft-lbs of torque is an advantage over the 455 ft-lbs of the Workhorse gasser engine. Plus the GVW goes up to 26,000 lbs. All this at an upcharge of $7,000 over the gasser chassis.

It'll never replace a diesel pusher but for those buyers who want a bit more torque, better fuel economy, and more cargo carrying capacity but just can't justify the larger price hike up to a diesel pusher this may indeed be a very marketable coach. As long as these benefits are real and not just "advertised" and the FRED doesn't have the drawbacks of the earlier diesel pushers it should be fine.

Remember the big bust when the Olds 350 diesel first came out in pickups and vans in the 70s? They fell apart real quick. But look at today's diesel pickups and there's a world of difference in quality and popularity. I wouldn't judge the FRED on past history. I'd hold out until someone can actually test one and wring it out to give a report.

Personally, I think it'll be a winner.
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Holiday Rambler made and sold a front engine diesel class A in the late 80's. It was not well received.
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