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Old 03-04-2014, 02:12 PM   #71
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Nobody has mentioned that the HR Endeavor is considered a pretty darn good value by almost all owners? Most are fairly well equipped, and the roof design, with any maintenance at all, keeps the coach pretty dry. Not something you can say about some of the other coaches in this size, age, and price range.
Thanks for that information. I was impressed by the value for the money on this used coach, plus the appearance (looks really pretty inside and out).

I really appreciate all the diesel information, am learning a few things that I will need to know from all of this.

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Old 03-05-2014, 12:18 PM   #72
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I could not help it, the BS was getting pretty deep as usual for this topic, clicked this while filling up this morning. Gas will always win the Gas vs Diesel argument when it comes to cost to operate
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You get what you pay for. I have had both a gasser and a DP. I would much rather spend my time in my DP. Buy what you are comfortable in and don't look back. Enjoy the time. You like the rest of us are going to spend a long time in that little box. Have fun.
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I could not help it, the BS was getting pretty deep as usual for this topic, clicked this while filling up this morning. Gas will always win the Gas vs Diesel argument when it comes to cost to operate

The math doesn't add up for me. 3.08G/3.65D pays off big time for me. that is 18.6% more. If mine was gas it would get 6MPG instead I get 9.4-10MPG.
6MPG X 1.57 = 9.42MPG That is 57% more
3.08 X 1.57 = $4.835 That the same 57%

look at is this way
100 Gal @ 3.08 = $308 @ 6MPG= 600 miles ($.5133 per mile)
100 Gal @ 3.65 = $365 @ 9.4 = 940 miles ($.3882 per mile)
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The math doesn't add up for me. 3.08G/3.65D pays off big time for me. that is 18.6% more. If mine was gas it would get 6MPG instead I get 9.4-10MPG.
6MPG X 1.57 = 9.42MPG That is 57% more
3.08 X 1.57 = $4.835 That the same 57%

look at is this way
100 Gal @ 3.08 = $308 @ 6MPG= 600 miles ($.5133 per mile)
100 Gal @ 3.65 = $365 @ 9.4 = 940 miles ($.3882 per mile)
Also, I think it depends on your location. Here in the Phoenix metro area, the delta is more like $0.40 per gallon.
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I could not help it, the BS was getting pretty deep as usual for this topic, clicked this while filling up this morning. Gas will always win the Gas vs Diesel argument when it comes to cost to operate


Interesting point of view ! Kinda makes you wonder why those 18 Wheelers haven 't figured this out!
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Nobody has mentioned that the HR Endeavor is considered a pretty darn good value by almost all owners? Most are fairly well equipped, and the roof design, with any maintenance at all, keeps the coach pretty dry. Not something you can say about some of the other coaches in this size, age, and price range.

Also, when considering "adequate" power, it's worth noting that this coach is maybe several thousand pounds lighter than others due to it's aluminum structure above it's floor line (about 24k loaded, vs. the norm at something in the high 20's or low 30's). I'll add that the 275hp Cat in ours has demonstrated plenty of power in all situations encountered so far - while pulling a Honda CRV. This includes plenty of time spent in the hills and mountains on both sides of the country. 8-8.5mpg the norm. Unusual conditions may have it down to 7.5, or as high as 10mpg. That's at 65mph, moving/blending in with truck traffic whenever possible.
I couldn't agree more. The roof is aluminum, it seems almost indestructible by Rv roof standards. I was very surprised when I weighed my 40 ft with 2 slides. I fulltime and once I got completely loaded up ready to live, I barely cracked 26k. I have a 330 cat, and it just pulls with ease up any grade I have taken it between Ohio to Florida, to California. The worst mileage I experienced was 8, the best was over 10.
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I just bought this baby. It's my 4th coach and I'm soooooo looking forward to my first diesel. I too thought the HR Endeavor was a great value and love the layout. On a lot of slide out equipped units you lose so much when driving. The HR is designed to minimize this. (shallower but still efficient slide)
I constantly have to remind people that none of my hobbies make sense, planes, boats, RV's, they're all horrible dino killers. For me if you have to ask how much fuel is gonna cost, you may not want to use this form of lifestyle.
One nice feature about my 1998 Endeavor is at 34', it fits next to my house saving $150.00 a month in storage fees and I can tinker whenever I want.
The zen art of motorhome tinkering is priceless and you can't put a price on that! Let's hit the road folks, adventure awaits!
p.s., the former owner said he got a solid 9.5, sometimes slightly better while towing the toad pictured. 275 ISB, 6 speed Allison
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Hey Jim, first off I have never had a DP and everyone has there own opinion as well as I do .
When I was looking for a coach I really did not know what I wanted gas/diesel coach so I weighted my options I'm not FT just a weekend camper taking short trips 200-500 miles I still work full time as it is hard for me to get off work ,that being said it was not justifiable to spend that amount of money to buy a DP , but if I were FT I would consider at least 40ft. DP tag for more durability and longevity and a slightly better investment than a gas coach .

As far as torque climbing a 8-10% grade I think a DP would do the job well with some to spare .

Good luck on your choice ,

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The math doesn't add up for me. 3.08G/3.65D pays off big time for me. that is 18.6% more. If mine was gas it would get 6MPG instead I get 9.4-10MPG.
6MPG X 1.57 = 9.42MPG That is 57% more
3.08 X 1.57 = $4.835 That the same 57%
look at is this way
100 Gal @ 3.08 = $308 @ 6MPG= 600 miles ($.5133 per mile)
100 Gal @ 3.65 = $365 @ 9.4 = 940 miles ($.3882 per mile)
I know why the math does not add up for you, because you cooked the math to make your point. Have not heard of anyone getting less than 8 MPG, with the latest Ford V10, and most are claiming 10MPG.

Why dont you use real math?
100 Gal @ 3.08 = $308 @ 8MPG= 800 miles ($.385 per mile)
100 Gal @ 3.65 = $365 @ 9.4 = 940 miles ($.3882 per mile)
Funny how that works out, they are the same, and I used 8mpg, what happens if I pug in 9 or 10 mpg? Rut Roo Shaggy.
Also funny how you forgot to plug in the price of UREA, think that adds about $.08/gallon?

But wait there is more, LOL. Gas oil change vs Diesel oil change? I dont know the answer here, but guessing $50 vs $200? My oil change was actually $36 last time I had it done, but did not want to cook the math to make my point.

The cheapest Diesel rig on market right now is Thor Plazzio, that is $50K more than the equivilant/identical Gas rig. So lets amortize that out over 10 years, that is a $5K/year price difference. So basically you could drive anywhere you wanted for free in your gas rig every year and still be less than the equivilent Diesel rig.

Oh i know, you take a big hit when you sell your gas rig vs a diesel. Wrong! I could sell my rig right now for exactly what I paid for it, but even if I had to take a $5K loss, I would still be money ahead. I have spoken to 4 people now that have the exact same rig as me, all of them said when the sold their rig, its sold in less than 2 days, with the best being in 2 hours.

I have been looking for a used gas rig to replace mine, and every single one that I have looked at is holding its value too well IMO. Have not looked at any diesel rigs, so can't speak to them. Will probably end up buying new again because the difference between new and used right now is so small that it makes better sense to buy new right now.

Just don't get why the Diesel guys always have to look down their noses at the Gas guys. Buy what makes you feel good or what you can afford.

I get that Diesels offer benefits that Gas can't, but there is no way the math will ever work, so please don't use that agrument. No one ever wears out their motor and very few keep their rigs more than 10 years, so the whole logevity issue is just fatasy. Diesel has more HP & TQ absolutly, no question about it. Does it go up the hill faster, not sure, is it quieter doing so, yes.
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Just don't get why the Diesel guys always have to look down their noses at the Gas guys. Buy what makes you feel good or what you can afford.

I don't think that's the case. Just differing opinions, and this is a good place to express them.

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I know one thing for sure.
I do not want to be behind any Motorhome that is getting 12 MPG, Gas OR Diesel !!!!!!
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I do not want to be behind any Motorhome that is getting 12 MPG, Gas OR Diesel !!!!!!
That one made me LOL
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I know one thing for sure.
I do not want to be behind any Motorhome that is getting 12 MPG, Gas OR Diesel !!!!!!
12 MPG would be sort of a lousy tank of diesel for me, like from a fairly stiff headwind ... and that's with a 3,300 lb. toad and about 64-65 MPH. "Normal" is a bit better, often in the 14 MPG range. And on the bright side, the two of us don't often get lost inside our wheeled abode!
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