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Old 07-20-2013, 01:42 PM   #15
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Definitely don't want to get saddled with one that doesn't meet my needs in the future. One never knows what tomorrow brings, but there are many things we can make an "educated guess" on based on your own personal wants & needs. 6 years ago I had no motorcycle or RV (and no desire for one). Now I own an Electra-glide Ultra Classic & a 35' toy hauler, so thinking in those terms makes your opening statement even more accurate!
I tow a toyhauler with a motorhome.

As another guy with a toy hauler,2 dirt bikes,2 quads, 2 boats, a motorhome, a truck and a fleet of cars I'm with ya.

I think a guy like you is very likely to be hauling things with a motorhome.

Go rent a few for the weekend - you'll find the electrical gen, and water systems are just like a toyhaulers but usually nicer.

Ive settled on an older (98) Diesel 36 towing a smaller toyhauler (21FT) to be a combo that works great for me and is within my vehicles limits, can be maneuvered around cities, and is legal length on the highway.

The CCC will be likely be critical with your lifestyle.
Their is also another acronym stamped on my capacity plate that defines total rolling weight approved .

In other words tongue weight adds to carrying capacity but some portion of rolling weight is added differently. (have to go look up the plate)

http://rvsafety.com/2011/09/understa...rhome-weights/ (found it)

Almost all the diesel frames will allow significant mods and for 75K you can find a rig for 50 and put 25 in it and probably have close what YOU want.
A slide mod is usually in the 15K range.

Its worth a few hundred bones to rent one of each and see for yourself.
Its a cheap test.

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Old 07-21-2013, 11:44 PM   #16
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Below is a link to PPL Motorhomes in Texas, so you can see what DP's are out there in your price range. They have a few that look good. They also have gassers for you to compare.
Diesel Motorhomes for Sale - PPL Motor Homes

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Old 07-23-2013, 06:34 AM   #17
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Gas all the way for me but I think it's an individual choice.
Carrying capacity is an issue regardless and my findings is that anything on a 22,000 lb chassis that is over 35 feet likely has a capacity issue.
This is the sticker on the inside of a cabinet door from a 2003 Mountain Aire 3778 that we looked at. A beautiful motorhome but I find it difficult to understand how a manufacturer can even be allowed to sell something like this.
Obviously most people do not worry about it like I do - the motorhome sold in a few days!

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Gas all the way for me but I think it's an individual choice.
Carrying capacity is an issue regardless and my findings is that anything on a 22,000 lb chassis that is over 35 feet likely has a capacity issue.
This is the sticker on the inside of a cabinet door from a 2003 Mountain Aire 3778 that we looked at. A beautiful motorhome but I find it difficult to understand how a manufacturer can even be allowed to sell something like this.
Obviously most people do not worry about it like I do - the motorhome sold in a few days!

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I found the same thing but have to admit that's the lowest I have seen. I was not totally against gas but the more I looked the more discouraged I became. We bought with the plan to go full time when I retire sometime next year and capacity was a big factor. Capacity was also something that isn't included in brochures or on website ads. I would find a floor plan that worked and then coax it out of a dealer or seller before going to look. I just could not get where I wanted to be. I used a "rule of thumb" someone posted here - 1,500 lbs per person in full time use. That meant 3,000 lbs for us. I found our DP Bounder and it has 5,500 lbs. We are not full time loaded yet but haven't out a dent in that. My view was that I wanted head room to run light versus heavy and prefer to be under weight.

Yes a diesel cost more upfront etc., but even of not full time - I have seen gas coaches with 1,500 and now less than 300 - and it just doesn't make sense to me. Fine if you're only out for a weekend, but I suspect many weekenders are running overweight. Aside from the safety factor it has got to make a difference in wear and tare on everything from tires to shocks and bushings etc.

I'm glad I have the capacity and everything else that comes with a DP. YMMV and weight too - just be very mindful of weight before you buy anything. If you can't carry the money you saved you haven't saved anything.
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Noise & heat. In a gas engine, you are sitting on the engine and it is noisy and hot. In a DP, the engine is about 30 feet behind you.
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I found the same thing but have to admit that's the lowest I have seen. I was not totally against gas but the more I looked the more discouraged I became. We bought with the plan to go full time when I retire sometime next year and capacity was a big factor. Capacity was also something that isn't included in brochures or on website ads. I would find a floor plan that worked and then coax it out of a dealer or seller before going to look. I just could not get where I wanted to be. I used a "rule of thumb" someone posted here - 1,500 lbs per person in full time use. That meant 3,000 lbs for us. I found our DP Bounder and it has 5,500 lbs. We are not full time loaded yet but haven't out a dent in that. My view was that I wanted head room to run light versus heavy and prefer to be under weight.

Yes a diesel cost more upfront etc., but even of not full time - I have seen gas coaches with 1,500 and now less than 300 - and it just doesn't make sense to me. Fine if you're only out for a weekend, but I suspect many weekenders are running overweight. Aside from the safety factor it has got to make a difference in wear and tare on everything from tires to shocks and bushings etc.

I'm glad I have the capacity and everything else that comes with a DP. YMMV and weight too - just be very mindful of weight before you buy anything. If you can't carry the money you saved you haven't saved anything.

Newmar eventually recognized the problem as in 2005 the gas Mountain Aire was only available on a 24,000 lb chassis. Not to single out Newmar, the same issue exists on most >35 foot gas coaches.
I am shopping for a used motorhome right now and am still convinced that gas is best for us however I am pretty much ruling out anything in the 36' - 37' size that isn't on the 24K chassis.
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Didn't read all of the post so will assume this will be redundant. I have had both gas and diesel. Chevy, Ford V 10 and Cummins on Freightliner. Nothing beats a diesel, quiet ride, load capacity, power, etc. Nothing beats a gasser, low maintenance costs, nice ride,enough power lower fuel prices and cheaper to fix when broken and far more repair facilities. The houses on both are about the same.

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Noise & heat. In a gas engine, you are sitting on the engine and it is noisy and hot. In a DP, the engine is about 30 feet behind you.
I agree with Bruce 100% that is Gas Class A is anything like a Class C. I own a class C and it is simply put painful and annoying on long trips due to engine noise, heat and ride. Looking for 2007 or newer DP myself.
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noise and reliability. I am a DP guy. What scares me most about buying a used rig is inheriting someone else's care and maintenance. One thing a diesel rig offers is a "near" bulletproof drivetrain. If you had a gasser with 50K miles on it or a DP with 50K miles on it... One of those two is just broken in and the other would have me worried.

Every C or gas class A I have been in has been pretty darned loud up front and under powered by my "feel".

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we had a 33' gasser for 8 years which also was our first. it was a great MH and was very reliable. the one thing I did not like was going up hills it seemed to struggle. we decided to buy something newer and looked at many new gassers and a few DP, we went with the DP based on layout and room and I love the power of a diesel. if we had found the right layout in a gasser I would have bought one. so whatever you decide it will be the right choice for you and enjoy it
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Find one the DW likes and go with it and stay within your budget and you will be happy! Make sure to test drive the rigs and have it inspected by someone you employ. I have dear friends that bought a Holiday Rambler gas and they take it to the Georgia Mountains every other weekend and they love it. No power complaints or load issues. I have a 2002 Newmar Dutchstar 3852 with a 330 kitty and they are just as content as we are. Life is not a race but a journey and be content in your journey. Safe Travels.
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Whatever you choose DP or gasser, make sure it is the floor plan your wife and you like. Ours is a gasser, sure there is engine noise when climbing a grade, but traveling most roads the noise level is low. Sure we have looked at DP's, but we have never found one with the floor plan we like. Anytime I mention to my wife about trading ours, the answer is absolutely not. Neither of us like the dark wood dungeons of most the newer coaches. Take your time and find what you like, not what someone else think you should buy. Just make sure you have funds available for servicing and repairs. If you can do them yourself, you will save a lot of money. Some of the big expenses could be tires, brakes, brake fluid flush, coolant change and replacing all coolant hoses, engine oil, transmission oil, and filters changes. That all depends if the coach comes with records of it's maintence.

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I'm glad to hear other people have a noise problem in their gasser. It's my first MH, and when you test drive it, it doesn't sound that loud. But when you hit a hill! I like the gasser, mine is short (27') so it goes good over the steep hills I travel. I plan on getting a another unit before I retire in 10 or so. I understand that the gas units only last for 250,000 mi. compared to 1,000,000 mi. for a diesel, something to think about if you're full time.
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