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Old 06-18-2015, 09:46 AM   #29
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That Beaver Patriot is one sweet coach. And as an added plus, just think of all the "Beaver" jokes you can tell around the campfire.

ya.. I know.. but this is why I have a Doxen.
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That Beaver Patriot is one sweet coach. And as an added plus, just think of all the "Beaver" jokes you can tell around the campfire.

ya.. I know.. but this is why I have a Doxen.
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Old 06-19-2015, 01:49 PM   #31
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In 2002 we bought a 1997 Diesel pusher as our first Motorhome. I knew that we were going to put a lot of miles on it so I researched how gas versus Diesel lined up before purchase. I found that if you went on NADA and started valuating coaches, the price would drop 30% at about 60K miles. I asked around and was told that a lot of gas drive trains had major failures at or above 60K miles and the prices reflected those possible failures. The coach we ended up with also got better than 10MPG versus the 6 MPG that gas coaches of the same vintage were getting. Back then the recommended service interval was 3K miles for gas and 15K miles for Diesel. We typically went 15K miles a year so the Diesel service was actually cheaper. I had access to a shop with a pit so it wasn't much of an expense anyway. If we didn't drive much a gas coach would probably make sense back then but now with 42' and 40K pounds a gas engine would be struggling a bit. The bottom line is if you're a traveler, get a Diesel, if not gas is fine if it will handle the size you want. If you're not going to move much, I'd look at a fifth wheel also.
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Old 06-19-2015, 03:04 PM   #32
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In 2002 we bought a 1997 Diesel pusher as our first Motorhome. I knew that we were going to put a lot of miles on it so I researched how gas versus Diesel lined up before purchase. I found that if you went on NADA and started valuating coaches, the price would drop 30% at about 60K miles. I asked around and was told that a lot of gas drive trains had major failures at or above 60K miles and the prices reflected those possible failures. The coach we ended up with also got better than 10MPG versus the 6 MPG that gas coaches of the same vintage were getting. Back then the recommended service interval was 3K miles for gas and 15K miles for Diesel. We typically went 15K miles a year so the Diesel service was actually cheaper. I had access to a shop with a pit so it wasn't much of an expense anyway. If we didn't drive much a gas coach would probably make sense back then but now with 42' and 40K pounds a gas engine would be struggling a bit. The bottom line is if you're a traveler, get a Diesel, if not gas is fine if it will handle the size you want. If you're not going to move much, I'd look at a fifth wheel also.
Can't argue with the facts....hands down if your a traveler and or a full timer, diesel will out last and out work gas and if that is what you need, the cost is worth it.

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Can't argue with the facts....hands down if your a traveler and or a full timer, diesel will out last and out work gas and if that is what you need, the cost is worth it.

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But one needs to be able to afford the extra. Look at the original question.
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I know... I know.. This topic has been hashed and re-hashed many times over but I am a newbie and would like some well thought out reasoning.

My stats: 52 years old. Taking early Medical disability retirement. Plan on staying on the road full time 5 years or until my health no longer lets me (With my conditions that could be a short or a long time) I dont think I wold be comfortable in anything under 36 feet...and thats pushing it.. 37-40 seem to be my comfort range.

Budget: $50000k MAX for purchase plus $5000 in reserve for upgrades and unexpected issues. Monthly living/operating budget $2500-$3000

Dilema: Do I buy a 1999-2003 DP (after a good independent inspection) or a 2005-2007 gas... with the same inspection?

Floor plan and a wide living room slide are important to me as it will be my home. Plan on spending 3-4 months in the PHX area a year, 1 month in the Seattle are an the rest where wanderlust takes me.

Help me tip the balance...

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I'd say post the 2003 DP and the 2007 gasser in your budget and ask that way.
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But one needs to be able to afford the extra. Look at the original question.
Exactly what I was just about to bring up. The budget for the coach is $50K and now we're going to show the OP something in the $85K range??? "READ" what he's looking for within his budget.
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These folks have several nice coaches under 50,000 ... the CC was marked down to 69,500 .... Luxury Pre-Owned Motorhome Dealer for Foretravel Newell Country Coach.
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Old 06-20-2015, 01:50 PM   #37
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Recommend Diesel for You

Since you are going to live in it full time and you want something between 38 and 40 feet, I would recommend an older diesel. You want to have enough carrying capacity for all of your stuff. Make sure you can budget a few thousand per year for maintenance and for tire replacement. If that is not possible, go with a shorter gas motorhome or consider a truck and fifth wheel. Be sure to know the weight of the motorhome and what is left for your stuff.
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But one needs to be able to afford the extra. Look at the original question.
My response was in the quote was to the diesel versus gas opinion....to tell you the truth unless it's a much older diesel which will need a lot more upkeep depending on the previous owner or owners.....I think his initial purchase budget is a bit unrealistic for a diesel pusher and perhaps I would try for a newer gas model in the size that he is looking for.

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I love my Newmar gas rig. When I am parked it is the same as a diesel. When I am driving I go slow and enjoy the ride and scenery. I formerly had a DP.... It costs over $1000 at the local Freight liner dealer for an oil change with all filters for engine and generator. This includes air and oil filters. I popped an air bag.... that costs a bunch. Yes, the Diesel made it up to Trail Ridge Road in Rocky Mountain National Park towing a 5000# toad with no trouble, but when we got there, there were gassers there too. We now tow a smaller toad. On your budget, buy used and enjoy. You are going to get a much newer unit in a gasser. With an old one the hoses rot, seals leak, tires rot, upholstery is worn, and the fridge probably is on its last leg. It will cost you $10k to $15k to begin to bring it up to usable, then you still need reserve cash.... If you had to have a 40' rig, then you have to have a diesel. Our 34' is huge.
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I love my Newmar gas rig. When I am parked it is the same as a diesel. When I am driving I go slow and enjoy the ride and scenery. I formerly had a DP.... It costs over $1000 at the local Freight liner dealer for an oil change with all filters for engine and generator. This includes air and oil filters. I popped an air bag.... that costs a bunch. Yes, the Diesel made it up to Trail Ridge Road in Rocky Mountain National Park towing a 5000# toad with no trouble, but when we got there, there were gassers there too. We now tow a smaller toad. On your budget, buy used and enjoy. You are going to get a much newer unit in a gasser. With an old one the hoses rot, seals leak, tires rot, upholstery is worn, and the fridge probably is on its last leg. It will cost you $10k to $15k to begin to bring it up to usable, then you still need reserve cash.... If you had to have a 40' rig, then you have to have a diesel. Our 34' is huge.

Who ever charged you a 1000$ for a oil change is ripping you off big time. I have mine done ever 15000 miles or every year and it runs around 400$ with the gen and all the filters. If you are able to do it yourself it would be half that. We full time and would not consider doing it it a 34' rig. Just the storage needed is worth the diesel pass through basement. I will say it's thought to find a 40'DP for 50000$ in good shape. I think they are out there but it will take some shopping.
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You did not change all filters for $400. Air filter alone for Cat 350 is $300. Tell the truth it costs tripple for diesel.
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Who ever charged you a 1000$ for a oil change is ripping you off big time. I have mine done ever 15000 miles or every year and it runs around 400$ with the gen and all the filters. If you are able to do it yourself it would be half that. We full time and would not consider doing it it a 34' rig. Just the storage needed is worth the diesel pass through basement. I will say it's thought to find a 40'DP for 50000$ in good shape. I think they are out there but it will take some shopping.
LF9009 coolant filter, aquahot filter, QD 7500 oil and fuel filter, two fuel filters, from filter barn $100.00, 20 liter rotella 65-70 bucks canadian, need less than two pails for engine and genny, local oil change place charges $50.00 to dump oil and change filters from bottom I add oil from closet for engine, and genny from front, its not rocket science nor does it cost anywhere near $1000.00, and its a once a year project, cpmparable gas engine would require thrree changes at 60-70 bucks each. so we are talking $200 difference a year for the pleasure of drving pusher regardless of miles travelled, its worth it hands down, 500 miles in a wobbly underpowered gasser will change anyones mind, never mind 5-10000 miles a year. Not knocking gasser just stating the facts DP are superior period and if $2-300 dollars a year is a deal breaker take up tenting or sailboating.

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