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Old 06-17-2015, 01:50 AM   #1
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Gas vs Diesel again

I know... I know.. This topic has been hashed and re-hashed many times over but I am a newbie and would like some well thought out reasoning.

My stats: 52 years old. Taking early Medical disability retirement. Plan on staying on the road full time 5 years or until my health no longer lets me (With my conditions that could be a short or a long time) I dont think I wold be comfortable in anything under 36 feet...and thats pushing it.. 37-40 seem to be my comfort range.

Budget: $50000k MAX for purchase plus $5000 in reserve for upgrades and unexpected issues. Monthly living/operating budget $2500-$3000

Dilema: Do I buy a 1999-2003 DP (after a good independent inspection) or a 2005-2007 gas... with the same inspection?

Floor plan and a wide living room slide are important to me as it will be my home. Plan on spending 3-4 months in the PHX area a year, 1 month in the Seattle are an the rest where wanderlust takes me.

Help me tip the balance...

David
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Old 06-17-2015, 03:00 AM   #2
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I'm a newbie since Jan 2015. I went with a 2015 gas class A at 38' simply because after my initial research I went with gas since it is cheaper. I choice a new model because I didn't want to buy someone else's headache. Plus I read to many articles about the higher maintenance with a DP. Just my thoughts. But now after further reading, it really doesn't matter. I think it just depends on how deep your wallet is and what you prefer. My class A with an 80 gallon tank gets 500 miles before it needs refueling. I have no acceleration probs, it rides smoothly and I drive it around 70 mph depending on the road and weather (wind). Good luck and happy motoring. Hope everything works out well for you. My class A was just under $200k and it works perfectly for me. I love it. There's plenty of models out there and each has its own unique problems at first. /Mikey
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Old 06-17-2015, 04:23 AM   #3
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I would lean towards a gas chassis. Granted things can go wrong on either gas or diesel but the gas will be less expensive to maintain. We winter in a park in FL where there doesn't seem to be any problem with people having $$$$ but it's funny to see how many in the past couple of years that have traded off there DP coaches for a gas chassis. Simply ask the question "WHY?", the answer is $$$$$ to maintain. I know, people are going to say well they never had the money for one to begin with. My answer is yes they did but they woke up to reality. Good luck and hope you find the coach that works out for you. Happy Motoring and Be Safe!
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My suggestion gas. Maintenance cost and repair cost to high. Depending on the floor plan you can get a lot of living space in a 36 foot double slide and the new v10 gas has sufficient power. I would stay with the better Mfr. Winnie. Tiffin or Fleetwood. Just my opinion after forty years of RVing
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If you are buying a coach in the $50k range, I would recommend a $10k reserve. Tires and batteries alone could run $4k. Deferred(undone) maintenance, fluids, filters, hoses and belts could run another $2k. ANY surprises could eat up the rest in a heartbeat. After a year on the road, if you have money left you can always spend it then!
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Just a point of topic on good inspections - they are few and far between.

Having had a few "good" inspections, I learned a couple of things that you will want to keep in mind.

You almost need 4 inspections. Each inspector in a different field of expertise.

1. House / generator
2. Chassis
3. Engine
4. Tire Shop / Alignment / Brakes

All of them with the exception of number 4, miss a lot of things - especially if there are no outward symptoms... yet...

And maybe I'm wrong, but with a diesel engine there's just not much for them to inspect. They test the fluids, test the levels, look at the belts, check the filters (air, dryer, fuel), crank it, check for codes via computer, look at the radiator, clamps and look for obvious big problems.

There are a lot of places for gremlins to hide. I would pay 30-40k, keeping 15 to 25 in reserve.

For instance, here's a decent looking Monaco Dynasty for 38

2001 Monaco Dynasty PBS370 for Sale - D801 - PPL Motor Homes

I would be looking for an oldy but goody. Beaver, Monaco, Holiday Rambler, Georgie Boy
I gather this list from my experience of halves of years in RV parks - recalling what I saw still on the road. I see a lot of old Beavers, Monaco's, Holiday Ramblers, Bounders, Georgie Boys, Dutch Stars, Safari in that year range. That alone must attest to their viability.

Spend some time discussing the oldy but goody's with a few owners here.

I think another consideration for you is, do you buy one from a dealer or an owner. The owner will be able to tell you more about the unit, hopefully they don't try to cover up anything.

Try this search here as a starting research point. Further, at that age range, I think the diesel is the way to go.

Class A - Diesel - New & Used RVs for Sale on RVT.com - Page 1 of 10

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I know... I know.. This topic has been hashed and re-hashed many times over but I am a newbie and would like some well thought out reasoning.

My stats: 52 years old. Taking early Medical disability retirement. Plan on staying on the road full time 5 years or until my health no longer lets me (With my conditions that could be a short or a long time) I dont think I wold be comfortable in anything under 36 feet...and thats pushing it.. 37-40 seem to be my comfort range.

Budget: $50000k MAX for purchase plus $5000 in reserve for upgrades and unexpected issues. Monthly living/operating budget $2500-$3000

Dilema: Do I buy a 1999-2003 DP (after a good independent inspection) or a 2005-2007 gas... with the same inspection?

Floor plan and a wide living room slide are important to me as it will be my home. Plan on spending 3-4 months in the PHX area a year, 1 month in the Seattle are an the rest where wanderlust takes me.

Help me tip the balance...

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I'd buy this rig and not look back lol >>>> 1999 Beaver Patriot 40' Thunder Priced at $ 54500
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Having owned both, and put a lot of miles on both, its really a coin toss. The Gas is almost zero maintenance compared to a DP, not that a DP has that much, but its certainly more. Driving a Gas is a workout compared to the DP. The DP ride is so nice, smooth, stable and easy to drive, it take almost zero effort.

The gap between Gas & DP has definatly closed over the last 5 years, they are really starting to load up Gas rigs with high end features that used to only be on the DP's.

If you are not in a hurry, and willing to break your driving trips up into shorter legs, a Gas is probably fine. But if you are going to do a lot of driving, might rethink the DP.
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Look at this beauty!

1997 Beaver Marquis Ruby, Class A - Diesel RV For Sale By Owner in Walnut grove , Minnesota | RVT.com - 152919

I personally would be highly interested in this unit.
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I'd buy this rig and not look back lol >>>> 1999 Beaver Patriot 40' Thunder Priced at $ 54500
Love the Beaver Patriot! And I promise, this dealership is a quality, well known dealer, whom I'm sure would be more than happy to deal.

Man that thing looks clean!

From what I know now about motorhomes over the years, even though I could afford it, I probably would not spend any more than the this unit myself, cause I know the amount more you spend does not exactly equal better. That is one clean looking patriot. I'd own it for sure if it all checked out - i might change the couch but hey....
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Love the Beaver Patriot! And I promise, this dealership is a quality, well known dealer, whom I'm sure would be more than happy to deal.

Man that thing looks clean!

From what I know now about motorhomes over the years, even though I could afford it, I probably would not spend any more than the this unit myself, cause I know the amount more you spend does not exactly equal better. That is one clean looking patriot. I'd own it for sure if it all checked out - i might change the couch but hey....
You can't go wrong with either of those Beavers !!!
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If you are not going to be driving much, (staying places for months at a time) than I would get a newer gas coach.

If you drive anywhere somewhat often I would go older DP.

Dont believe all the "high cost" of a DP.
Yes its cost more, but you only do it 1/3 as much.
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I'd buy this rig and not look back lol >>>> 1999 Beaver Patriot 40' Thunder Priced at $ 54500
Wow! That looks like a gem.
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While gas is cheaper than diesel, the better mileage makes up for it. Our 158 gallon fuel tank pretty much guarantees a 1000-mile range with plenty reserve. With a lot of luck, you may be able to find a coach that has been maintained like ours. Complete chassis renovation two years ago, new OTR road AC two years ago, roof ACs within last five years, brand new Michelin tires etc. We have never missed slides, and when we sell ours later, we most likely will get an older Prevost without slides. But each his own.
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