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Old 01-22-2014, 08:33 AM   #43
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Myredracer, Lawyers!! The manufacturer lawyers dictate that they install all necessary protection because they perceive that there is a risk of future law suits. The technical issues are not relevant in this context.

The technical elements involved have all been covered in previous posts and if they are not understood just reread the entire thread.
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Old 01-22-2014, 09:58 AM   #44
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funny that they put GFI's in coaches. nothing you could touch inside the rv could be a possible path to ground, on rubber tires. I can see them on outside plugs, but inside not necessary. I guess the Mfg's are just covering there ass
I disagree with that statement and I have PROOF to show you.

First, it is entirely possible for a screw or bolt that you can touch to be screwed into the frame or to a bracket connected to the frame and the Frame.. IS connected via the green wire to ground .

Second water that is not pure and I mean PURE conducts electricity.

Several sub-systems in the RV (like the fridge) have exposed metal parts that are grounded, as is the stove, that's the big one, the stove top is all metal and all grounded

Finally there is one outlet you seem to have forgotten and YES it is GFCI protected.. The patio outlet, And when you come into contact with things plugged into it your feet are normally firmly planted on ye old ground.

Sorry to burst your bubble.. but hey.. Perhaps a wack with a 2x2 can save your life some day.
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Old 01-22-2014, 10:06 AM   #45
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Not sure it's only lawyers who want the safest electrical service possible. GFCI outlets provide protection from shock. That's good enough for me. I've retrofitted my house with GCFI outlets near sinks, even though the age of the house well predated the requirement. It's just common sense and care for my family. All the points about PEX and ABS plumbing sounds like CSI investigating a death. If you want to argue the need for GCFI's, then remove the airbags from your car, PFD's from your boat, and live on the edge!
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Wow ? There are two paths to ground at every outlet neutral prong is tied to ground at service panel and ground prong as well . From ur friendly utility co substation electrician
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Don't expect to find TRUE experts on iRV2.com.

BUT you will find lots of ordinary people with their personal opinions
Actually Richard, On many subjects I do expect to find true experts hanging out around here... And in fact have benefited by having questions answered by some of them.. Alas, some have been scared or driven off by things I won't get into.. But, for example, a lot of information on Satellite TV systems (And Satellite internet systems) that I post comes directly from chats with an expert who used to hang out here, There are mechanics who hang out here.. Some specialists in this or that sub system who hang out here and a whole bunch of electronics types who hang out here. Many would be classed "expert" others not so good.

This is why most threads contain a mix of good info, and not so good, and in a few cases downright dangerous (This thread is an example of that).. Some of us either know what we are typing about or do the research, Others. think they do.

But there are some genuine experts in the forums.

I have another forum family I won't name that I hang out in (I won't name any competing service by the way). where I have come to SERIOUSLY respect much of the advice given there. I've double checked it myself in most cases and those folks really know what they are typing.

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Old 01-22-2014, 12:28 PM   #48
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Wa8, you may get flamed by sensitive individuals. Or some will not come back!! What say you all?
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Mean while, I wonder if the OP ever found his problem. That would be valuable post. I am going to PM him.
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Old 01-22-2014, 12:32 PM   #50
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Wow ? There are two paths to ground at every outlet neutral prong is tied to ground at service panel and ground prong as well . From ur friendly utility co substation electrician
Wished I had said that. I knew it but did not think to say it.
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Wished I had said that. I knew it but did not think to say it.
True, and the idea is to not use your body to complete a circuit via ground or neutral.
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Who really cares why they are in there. Lawyers not lawyers, grounded water lines not grounded, etc. Bottom line is that they can save your life if something should happen whether or not anyone thinks it can. If my coach did not have them in it I would put them in. I would much rather explain to my wife why I spent the money and time putting them in than have a doctor explain to my wife why I was dead after getting electrocuted.
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Who really cares why they are in there. Lawyers not lawyers, grounded water lines not grounded, etc. Bottom line is that they can save your life if something should happen whether or not anyone thinks it can. If my coach did not have them in it I would put them in. I would much rather explain to my wife why I spent the money and time putting them in than have a doctor explain to my wife why I was dead after getting electrocuted.
Well said, you can't repair dead.
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And you can fix "stupid" or teach "common sense" either.

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Purchased a 2007 Itasca Sunova in August 2013. Cannot find the GFCI, and wondered if the fuse box, which has three breakers in it, is in lieu of. Anybody have an answer for me?...and thanks!

Michael
You haven't told us which model of the Sunova you have, so I can't look the info up for you, but if you go to the Winnebago Wiring Diagrams page, select your year and model, then open the Body, 110V Wiring Diagram you'll be able to see which outlets are GFI protected (typically two outlets). Every other outlet downstream from those outlets will also be protected.
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No, the technical NEC code reasons for having GFIs near a kitchen sink have not been covered. Pls point me to where that has been covered.

It take this to mean you don't have a technical answer but would rather just make a flippant remark.

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The technical elements involved have all been covered in previous posts and if they are not understood just reread the entire thread.
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