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Old 08-16-2007, 05:28 PM   #1
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BUDGET$$$$ New or Used??? Gas or Diesel??? Cat or Cummins??? 4 point or 3 Point Levelling??? Side Rad or Rear Rad??? Roof Air or Basement Air??? Monacoa Holiday Rambler Newmar, Travel Supreme, Triple E, Winnibago??? Towing System?? Four down?? Braking System?? Remco Disconnect?? Winterizing??? Icemaker?? Tank Management??? Tire Pressure monitors??? Surge Protector??? Jake vs Pac Brake????? and Floor plan???? and ?????????????????
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BUDGET$$$$ New or Used??? Gas or Diesel??? Cat or Cummins??? 4 point or 3 Point Levelling??? Side Rad or Rear Rad??? Roof Air or Basement Air??? Monacoa Holiday Rambler Newmar, Travel Supreme, Triple E, Winnibago??? Towing System?? Four down?? Braking System?? Remco Disconnect?? Winterizing??? Icemaker?? Tank Management??? Tire Pressure monitors??? Surge Protector??? Jake vs Pac Brake????? and Floor plan???? and ?????????????????
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Old 08-16-2007, 06:20 PM   #3
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Hi SoonTooBeRVer's,
Welcome to iRV2. Consider asking differnet questions. Determine your requirements and buy the floor plan that works for your needs. Make a list of 10 items (no more) that the RV must have or the deall is off. These items will focus on how you will use the coach.
1. Touring from place to place or travel and stay put for months at a time.
2. How many will travel
3. What creature comforts are needed
3a. washer/dryer
3b. how much storage - what are you taking with you where will it go can the coach handle the weight
4. how many will need to sleep
5. how many will need to eat
6. entertainment needs
7. off air antenna
8. satellite radio
9. satellite TV (in motion or not in motion)
10. examine each floor plan in three configurations
10a. traveling (slides closed)
10b. eating
10c. sleeping (all furnitur in the bed position)
11. can the family cook make and serve a meal with the kitchen arrangement
12. 1 bath or a 1 1/2 bath
13. can all travelers get ready to go somewhere at about the same time.
14. how many sinks are needed
15. For towing again, buy the vehicle that meets your needs for what you are going to use it for.
15a. 4X4 or 4x2
15b. compact, corssover, SUV, sedan, etc.

The bottom line is know your needs and that will lead yo to the right coach. When you see a coach that seems close, spend some time and several visits and several hours in the coach. Visualize your routines. Does it work without compromise.

The items mentioned in your OP will fall into place.
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Thanx Gary We have the floor plan down. Its just finding it with some or most of the rest!!
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Old 08-17-2007, 04:39 AM   #5
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If you have the floorpan you want, that should eliminate most all of the decision points in your OP. There are not many floor plans that lend themselves to both gas or diesel power. CAT or Cummins, side or rear radiator, roof air or basement air, Jake vs Pac,,,who cares? No flames please. Folks may have preferences but are these items a real deal breakers? Three or four point leveling is easily decided. Would you buy a dining room table with 3 legs?

On the towing points, these are preferences based on how a person RVs. It goes back to knowing how you want to use the coach. Until that is known, by us on the forum, it is difficult to provide pros and cons.

Additional items that would help with pin point replies are:
1. full hookups vs. dry camping
2. About how many nights per year will you use the coach?
3. About how many miles a year do you think you'll travel?
4. Assuming the floor plan works for you, how long do you feel you will keep the coach?

Folks who tour this great country of ours have different requirements than folks who travel little but stay in one place, much of the time. In RVing there is something for everyone.
What is perfect for one family will not work well for another.

Can you tell us more about how you plan to use the coach?
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We definitely plan to do a lot of travelling especially in our first years of ownership as we have 2 boys who live across the country in B.C. We would also like to do the east coast to Florida, to the Gaspe Peninsula, Branson, Missouri, etc., etc. I'm still working at this time, won't retire for 4 years so the most we could do at any one time would be 3-4 weeks. Once I retire, we'd like to do Alaska and Baja California. We would have this coach for probably at least 4 years before considering a trade. We would do both full hook-ups and dry camping. We'd probably use the coach 6 weeks a year minimum. Not sure on miles per year... maybe 8,000 at the high end.

Do you feel the 330 has sufficient power to run in the Rockies?

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Old 08-17-2007, 09:07 AM   #7
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I have not had the coach accross the rockies. I have had the coach to Rocky Mountain National Park, Colorado at an elevation of 8100+ feet. The engine did fine. We were not the slowest truck in the mountains. Almost always I did stay in the slow lane and did whatever the trucks were doing. I did pass some trucks where I thought I could and not hold up traffic. The climb to Rocky Mountain National Park is the only time the engine temperture rose above the usual 180 degrees. It got to about 220 degrees. I did let Mr. Allison choose the dirve gear. Overall the engine has been flawless. For entire trips we have averaged 7.4-7.5 MPG traveling 60-62 MPH on the Interstate highways and the speed limit on secondary roads. The engine tempeture never moves from the above mentioned normal tempeture. I have 28K miles on the coach. The engine will not "run" the Rockies. It will travel them quite nicely.

Based on your last post, the KSDP you are looking at should have everything you need. Diesels cost more but you get it back when you sell. Fuel mileage will be the same as a gas coach, but the KSDP is hauling more weight. The additional weight should mean more creature comforts. The KSDP has plenty of water and waste capacity. Propane and diesel fuel capacity is decent. The coach is well insulated.

This is my first diesel coach. I got drug into a diesl because our requirements could not be met in a gas coach. Driving and owning a diesel is different than a gas coach. On the driving side, be prepared to gain momentum, not accelerate. One must use the engine brake on the downside of hills since diesels have no engine braking capacity, like gas. Planning ahead is a must. Know your surroundings and take action before a situation eurpts. Your first trip to Branson (between Springfield and Branson) will be exciting for you. Chassis maintenance is much more frequent and the fluid capacities (oil, coolant, hydralic fluid, etc.) are measured in gallons not quarts. Everythig is bigger, the fuel filters (yep there are 2) oil filter (holds almost a gallon of oil). The engine holds 22 quarts of oil including the filter. If you do your own maintenance, be ready for this. If you pay to have it done, it doesn't get done for the Jiffy lube $29.99 special. One is talking several hundred dollars.

Based on the information in your last post me thinks you could go with either diesel or gas. This will not be your retirement coach. On gas, just watch how much weight you can carry and how much weight you can tow. We had too much weight and needed to go the diesel route.
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Gary Very good info, and much appreciated. We will be towing a Jeep Wrangler 4 down, Any suggestions on Supplementary Braking Systems???
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For towed vehicle braking systems there are many choices. They all work and the final decision is all personal preference. I use the US Gear Unified Tow Brake system. Go here for the company's web site. I based my decision on all the technical stuff you will read and the ease to hook-up and un-hook. I have had the system for two years and it has been flawless.

For this purchase, consider finding out who sells what around where you live. Go to the store and have the sales person demonstrate how their product works. Here is the important part. You try the same thing the sales person demonstrated. Is the product you are considering user friendly to you. For the US Gear product, all it takes is un-plug or plug at the hitch.
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Yes we looked at a coach with US Gear on a Honda CRV. Slickest system we have seen yet!!
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Gary has given you a lot of good advice and answers to your questions. In the question you first raised, you mentioned $$$$'s. That was a major consideration for my wife and I when we jumped in last year with our first MH. I knew we wanted a diesel pusher as we do plan on traveling the Rockies and further West when we retire 12 months from now. We haul a Ford Freestyle on a tow dolly so we needed something that could "haul the load" so to speak. We went looking and finally found a 2002 Winnebago Ultimate Advantage 36C with 22,000 miles on it (that is not really broken in), had everything on it that could have been ordered that year with all of the upgrades except for the GPS. The original sticker on it was $278,000 in the Winter of 2002. As you have already figured out, the first owner gets to have all of the heavy depreciation. We picked it up for $98,000 last Fall. Everything was/is working on the coach. From the service records, the first year saw a lot of the normal "break in" problems. That seems to be the norm for new coaches -- after all it is a truck, a home, a camper, etc all built into one and it travels down the road. For peace of mind I did buy an extended warranty for 4 years and 40,000 miles. The only material problem I had was the hydraulic fan hub developed a leak after a 3,000 mile trip and the extended warranty paid it all except for the $100.00 deduct that I had to pay. Although we are "newbees" to the MH gang, I am glad that we went the used route as we only get to use it right now as you have suggested you will be -- 2 to 3 weeks at a time each year until we retire. As of now, I have been replacing/upgrading items on the coach as we plan on keeping this one -- we like the floorplan, and it fits us well. All of the upgrading/replacing I have been doing is much cheaper than a new coach would cost me. As far as upgrades, I have added a SurgeGuard, upgraded all 3 TVs to flat screen LCDs, automatic winterization, new power roof vents, XM radio receiver, new CD changer (plays MP3s now), GPS, new on the move satellite, etc. etc. Still less than a new coach.

Just some thoughts on my part in addition to the great advice that Gary has given to you. Hope I have not confused you further.
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Got it You have one back!!!!!
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Not confused But maybe info overload!!!! But you cannot be Too informed.

This site has been very informative!!! I am getting a fill of salesmen's pitch LOL

I also went to a nearby KOA and talked to some RV'ers who were very helpful also.
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