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11-15-2019, 06:53 PM
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Height adjustment while moving on DP
This might be chassis specific or maybe it is just a common function. I assume the height specified in the brochures is the normal ride height with the airbags inflated to a certain amount. For example, a Dutch Star is listed at 13' even. I put a sizable shop in my backyard and a 14' door in case someday we get a DP. The way it turned out, I had to put a grade in the connecting of the old driveway to the front of the shop. I am a little concerned on a coach hitting the door when going up the slope. So the question is can you deflate the front airbags to get you a few more inches lower while moving slowly?
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11-15-2019, 07:20 PM
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Winnebago Owners Club Fleetwood Owners Club Holiday Rambler Owners Club
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No, when a modern coach is put in gear the air bags inflate. I've tried it on 3 different coaches with the same result. Moving a coach on deflated air bags would be risky anyway.
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11-15-2019, 07:25 PM
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Holiday Rambler Owners Club
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I can, with Valid air leveling!
Don't know if Newmar offers it, or a similar system.
I wouldn't do it if there was a transition in grade from uphill to level ground though. It would probably wipe my Aqua Hot exhaust system off the bottom of the coach!
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11-15-2019, 07:49 PM
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Depending on the leveling system installed you may be able to. If the coach has Air Leveling and not hydraulic jacks you may be able to fake out the system. On my coach I can remove a fuse in the HWH control box and "lock" the air bag at a given height. With the fuse removed the Air Leveling will not shift from Leveling to Ride Height. You adjust the coach to the height you want then remove the fuse. Move the coach then reinstall the fuse to get all the functions (leveling and ride height) back. This technique is use to move a coach with a bad ride height valve. I should work for what you want to do.
I have also seen a kit that does something similar. I though it was for Source Engineering in Oregon but I don't see it on the site any more.
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11-15-2019, 08:10 PM
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If you deflate the front air bags you may not have any steering ability without crunching your front fenders.
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11-15-2019, 08:28 PM
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That's right. Lowered, you would only want to use in a straight line.
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11-15-2019, 08:33 PM
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I grimaced when I read "For example, a Dutch Star is listed at 13' even.". Don't ever believe a "listed" number. Measure yourself. If you're buying a rig, measure it yourself before you buy. If you have grade level concerns, measure them and draw it out on paper to scale. Then cut out that new MH to scale and move it in, checking clearances.
And when you have that exact height number, put it on a label and paste it in the upper left (or wherever) of the windshield so you can remember and double check when driving and clearance might be an issue. Did I say the rig was 12' 3" or 13' 2"?
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11-15-2019, 09:10 PM
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If you have an incline into your garage, the leading end of the MH into the garage will be higher than level height. If you have a decline into the garage the center of the wheel-base will be higher than level height.This will happen at the garage door opening.
To calculate the MH maximum height at door opening requires geometry calculations.
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11-15-2019, 09:24 PM
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There is actually a rig in the classifieds that has an aftermarket HWH Active Air and one of the features is "provides variable height control to go over or under obstacles". So it sounds like what I was originally asking for is possible should the need arise.
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11-16-2019, 09:29 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ilvmygt
Depending on the leveling system installed you may be able to. If the coach has Air Leveling and not hydraulic jacks you may be able to fake out the system. On my coach I can remove a fuse in the HWH control box and "lock" the air bag at a given height. With the fuse removed the Air Leveling will not shift from Leveling to Ride Height. You adjust the coach to the height you want then remove the fuse. Move the coach then reinstall the fuse to get all the functions (leveling and ride height) back. This technique is use to move a coach with a bad ride height valve. I should work for what you want to do.
I have also seen a kit that does something similar. I though it was for Source Engineering in Oregon but I don't see it on the site any more.
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I installed a dash switch connected between the HWH fuse and control box. I have to dump all the air in the bags to back into my garage. After the air is dumped, I hit the disconnect switch and back in. When the disconnect switch is activated, the suspension will not go to travel mode.
Bill
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11-16-2019, 12:38 PM
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"Formerly Diplomat Don"
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How the bags inflate varies from brand to brand. My 2014 Dutch Star would inflate the airbags automatically when the coach was started. When my 2014 would start up with no air, there is no moving it until there was enough pressure to operate the brakes. Once the brakes had air, it could several minutes before the coach actually raised. It might be long enough to back it in a garage.
On my 2019 Dutch Star, on a Freightliner chassis, if you manually dump the air when you park it, it will NOT trigger the system to inflate the air bags when you restart it and allow the air bags to fill. So on this coach, it won't automatically inflate and can be driven straight, SLOWLY, with the air bags deflated.
So....it depends on the coach and brand and chassis.
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11-16-2019, 10:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch Star Don
How the bags inflate varies from brand to brand. My 2014 Dutch Star would inflate the airbags automatically when the coach was started. When my 2014 would start up with no air, there is no moving it until there was enough pressure to operate the brakes. Once the brakes had air, it could several minutes before the coach actually raised. It might be long enough to back it in a garage.
On my 2019 Dutch Star, on a Freightliner chassis, if you manually dump the air when you park it, it will NOT trigger the system to inflate the air bags when you restart it and allow the air bags to fill. So on this coach, it won't automatically inflate and can be driven straight, SLOWLY, with the air bags deflated.
So....it depends on the coach and brand and chassis.
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I once did that, unintentionally. The ride height linkage broke and allowed the rear to deflate. Every time I stepped on the throttle the rear of the coach would hop up/down because it put the driveshaft in a bind. I had to feather the throttle to reach a Love's truck stop to buy a new linkage kit.
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11-16-2019, 10:35 PM
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Why not use some 2x10 boards to shim as needed to get in the garage door?
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11-17-2019, 07:04 AM
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Get a laser level doesn't have to an expensive rotary one.Park on level-ish parking lot ect. Use bubble to level it "dead on" on highest point or roof and calculate to highest point. Shoot to pole or board take measurement. Use level shoot the grade every few feet for 40-50 feet . You'll need the wheelbase front and rear overhang of coach, if you want to pull in either way, double check exact door height . Draw it up post it here, someone smarter than I, will can help.
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