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Old 02-17-2015, 08:42 PM   #57
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two reasons to buy a diesel... one you want to and two, you can....

and now...# 3 because they are quiet...

on performance... 30 ' and below... the gas coach is cheeper, takes off faster, stops faster, hauls more load, climbs hills faster...
draw back is its wound tighter than a fiddle string constantly..

the diesel will cost more, cost more to operate , take off slower, climb hills slower..pull less at a slower speed..take longer to stop..
but will do so with less strain under 2000 rpms...

both are mostly made by the same builder, using the same materials so there are high ends of both...


beings the coaches are made from the same materials... both will be old junk ... but the diesel chassis will still be in service and the gas will need a rebuild...
buy'n used 60k buys a lot of gas coach with new stuff.. or its a 10 year old pusher that looks... well ...10 yr old...

a lot of your post make sense, save the following, I need to pull 10K, I want over 40', I want the stability of my tag axle, I do not want to wallow in the slow lane up a 10 mile climb and I don't, I also don't hold anyone up nor do I have any issues pulling at lower speeds, 1250lbs of torque will do that. While manufactures make several different models I am drawing my comparisons on my coach which is in a different leaque than even the entry level DP made by Monaco, quality and craftsmanship will last, I don't really care about the looks even though I constantly get compliments on my paint job and no one can believe the coach is 13 years old.

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Old 02-17-2015, 08:53 PM   #58
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a lot of your post make sense, save the following, I need to pull 10K, I want over 40', I want the stability of my tag axle, I do not want to wallow in the slow lane up a 10 mile climb and I don't, I also don't hold anyone up nor do I have any issues pulling at lower speeds, 1250lbs of torque will do that. While manufactures make several different models I am drawing my comparisons on my coach which is in a different leaque than even the entry level DP made by Monaco, quality and craftsmanship will last, I don't really care about the looks even though I constantly get compliments on my paint job and no one can believe the coach is 13 years old.

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you no doubt have a bad a$$ coach...and one that I would choose..
there is no other choice when you get to the level you are at... hell the best car I ever owned was my 34 ford hemi powered

what I was more getting at was if you compare a cheep diesel to a cheep gas.. they both have the same house on them... the diesel chassis will still be going.. with or with out the house
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a lot of your post make sense, save the following, I need to pull 10K, I want over 40', I want the stability of my tag axle, I do not want to wallow in the slow lane up a 10 mile climb and I don't, I also don't hold anyone up nor do I have any issues pulling at lower speeds, 1250lbs of torque will do that. While manufactures make several different models I am drawing my comparisons on my coach which is in a different leaque than even the entry level DP made by Monaco, quality and craftsmanship will last, I don't really care about the looks even though I constantly get compliments on my paint job and no one can believe the coach is 13 years old.

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another thing... my coach is brand new and the paint is horrible....new isn't always better...but happy wife happy life I got some red lip stick for buy'n it...
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Nice coach

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cant beat that
Ps You have a nice coach.
I hope the tenters don't bash the tent trailer people don't bash the hard sided trailer people don't bash the 5th wheelers.
I often wonder why we A owners are so biased.
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a lot of your post make sense, save the following, I need to pull 10K, I want over 40', I want the stability of my tag axle, I do not want to wallow in the slow lane up a 10 mile climb and I don't, I also don't hold anyone up nor do I have any issues pulling at lower speeds, 1250lbs of torque will do that. While manufactures make several different models I am drawing my comparisons on my coach which is in a different leaque than even the entry level DP made by Monaco, quality and craftsmanship will last, I don't really care about the looks even though I constantly get compliments on my paint job and no one can believe the coach is 13 years old.

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I need to pull 10K, I want under 34', I want the stability of a tag axle, I do not want to wallow in the slow lane up a 10 mile climb and I won't, I also don't hold anyone up nor do I have any issues pulling at lower speeds, 1250lbs of torque will do that. While manufactures make several different models I am drawing my comparisons on my coach which is in a different leaque than even the entry level DP made by Monaco, quality and craftsmanship will last, I care about the looks , I like to constantly get compliments on my paint job ,and I don't care if the coach is 13 years old.

long as it performs..


I had to change it just alittle..
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Ps You have a nice coach.
I hope the tenters don't bash the tent trailer people don't bash the hard sided trailer people don't bash the 5th wheelers.
I often wonder why we A owners are so biased.
Happy "camping" or should I say RVing
its that way with boat, offroad, race cars...

most people believe they are very smart, and everyone else...not so...
so they think they are doing you a favor by telling you what you want and need.... statements like... here's what you need to do ...do what I do....

or why did you do that, you should have asked me I would have told you not to...

I like it better when they say" here hold my beer, watch this!"
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you no doubt have a bad a$$ coach...and one that I would choose..
there is no other choice when you get to the level you are at... hell the best car I ever owned was my 34 ford hemi powered

what I was more getting at was if you compare a cheep diesel to a cheep gas.. they both have the same house on them... the diesel chassis will still be going.. with or with out the house
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Really thinking about this 2005 winnebago journey 39k. Wife loves it. I have 1 concern...it has 65k miles on it. 330 cat. Should i be worried? Its a solid dealership

I have a 2011 Winnebago Journey Express 39N (with bunks) we love it!
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Old 02-17-2015, 09:30 PM   #65
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The Journeys are great. With that mileage it is just getting started!!

Agree. I'd rather see a diesel with some miles on it than not. They're made to be run.
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Agree. I'd rather see a diesel with some miles on it than not. They're made to be run.
All engines are made to run. It just as hard if not harder on a power plant to be left sitting that to have a well maintained power plant that has been used properly. Both gas and diesel have their place in the class A world. My 36' Pace Arrow Vision is powered by a 460 ford. The engine develops max torque below 2200 RPM and max HP around 3000. Not exactly "screaming". It also has a tag axle.

Our coach is spacious and came with a lot of upgrades. It meets our needs very well and didn't cost us a boatload of cash when purchasing it. The bottom line is to each his or her own. To get the same motorhome in a DP I would have had to spend over twice what I paid for my gas rig. I didn't find that desirable at the time and still don't. If the OP has his heart set, or his wife has her heart set, on a DP then so be it. He can afford it and it makes the Mrs happy. That's important in owning a motorhome. We don't own a motorhome because it is cheap transportation. We own one because it is our mobile winter home in a warm climate. It is our second home for three or more months out of the year, only unlike a brick and mortar home we can easily change it's location as it suits our whim.

I look forward to hearing the OP's experiences in his "new" MH as the years go by. With any luck the happy stories will far outweigh the bad times on the road, of which there are bound to be a few. Good luck with your purchase and enjoy.
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Aside from noise, durability, power issues discussed, I found the showers in gas models we looked at seemed to be inadequately short. It seems they all seem to be over the rear wheels and you loose several inches in height. The diesel chasis seem to have flatter floors and nicer showers. Probably not a big deal if you are going to a local State Park for the weekend, but I think it would be an issue if you live in it for a 3 week trip.
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And don't poke fun at us "hold my beer " boys😈😁 That 45' rocket powered, twin deck, three axle RV, SHOULD'VE WORKED!!! Now gimme my beer back.
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Actually it's a native bore engine so there are no wet liners to replace. They call them "throw away engines" because that's what you do with them rather than rebuild them. Although I'm sure that somewhere someone has rebuilt one.

I learned long ago, not to go too deep on mechanical issues.

"Average Joe" understands rebuild-replace. But their eyes will glass over once you get into rebuild details.

When you say an engine is a throw away design, forget it. They think toaster, not over the road heavy duty truck engine. Let alone the sheer number of 7 liter Cat engines on the road.


Glad the OP is getting the coach they are comfortable/want, regardless of power plant.
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gas or other

if I had plenty of money would buy a gas mh
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