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Old 10-21-2019, 07:47 AM   #57
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Since I will not change the RV and motorcycle it seems like my best alternative is to scrap the jeep and buy a p/u and load the Indian in the bed. Has anybody ever used the Cruiser ramp with a full dress motorcycle??
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No personal experience, however seen several in use. Slick piece of equipment! Good luck
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Old 10-21-2019, 08:22 AM   #59
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Since I will not change the RV and motorcycle it seems like my best alternative is to scrap the jeep and buy a p/u and load the Indian in the bed.
You could do that, but you still can't tow the PU behind the RV. You're way over your GCWR.
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i am going to chime in on this one since we full time, we started by wanting a class c but were not able to do a car and motor cycle and roll away tool boxso we went to a 39 ft gas class a w 24 chassis with 8.1 liter.

next i found that the motorcycle lift to be done right it would need to have the over hang partof the frame re enforced at an added cost so with the cost of a blue ox system for the car the added cost to do the frame and the cost of the lift was higher then an enclosed car hauler.

now the class a comes with a class III hitch 600 tw and 6000 gtw but mh manufactures under rate to 500 tw 5000 gtw. however the mini cooper ,v rod, tool box and weight of the trailer exceeded the rating.

we spent an extra 1000 bucks foe a custom dual anti sway weight distribution hitch still cheaper then lift tow price.

we then added a banks full power system and added extra leafs to the leaf springs and a safe T steering stabilizer

these were needed to be safe and keep good power (in sd were the speed limit is 80 we could hold speed of 75 mph going off gps. 70 mph going up 6% grade.

we have been though the rocky, black hills, smoky and the appalachains mountain ranges in the past 7 months and 20 states.

we also keep the fresh water tank (108 gal) full at all times and our rig came with 22.5 rims and tires since it is the w 24 chassis 3 option
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In the above post, pushing a 13 year old 8.1 gas engine that hard will be expensive eventually. (70 mph going up 6% grade, Banks power upgrade), will strain a 8.1 motor.
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Since I will not change the RV and motorcycle it seems like my best alternative is to scrap the jeep and buy a p/u and load the Indian in the bed. Has anybody ever used the Cruiser ramp with a full dress motorcycle??
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We do exactly that, haul our 900 lb. Honda GL1800 Goldwing, on a RAMPAGE lift/hauler in the back of our 11 GMC Sierra 1500 Extended Cab 4x4. The truck weighs EXACTLY 5,300 lbs, the Rampage, right close to 275 lbs, and the Wing, as stated, 850-900 lbs. So, were dragging along behind us, somewhere in the neighborhood of 6,700 lbs. keep that in mind for your decision.
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Old 10-21-2019, 10:03 AM   #63
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NO no no

Your going to need a bigger boat !
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Sell the Jeep and get a 4X4 PU and put the cycle in the back of it. They make cycle loaders that go in the PUs bed.
This is what we do with our 2 motorcycles. We full-time and tow a chevy silverado 4 down with 2 full size motorcycles in the bed. It works pretty well but a lift tailgate would be nice!
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In the above post, pushing a 13 year old 8.1 gas engine that hard will be expensive eventually. (70 mph going up 6% grade, Banks power upgrade), will strain a 8.1 motor.
you must not have read he mods done i get 342 hp 456 torq at the rear wheel not the crank where stock rating are taken. it is more then able and yes i am/was a ase cert. tech.
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OMG, I cannot believe we share the same highways as some of the folks who put waaaay toooo much load behind or hanging off the rear frame rails. Just because a powertrain can pull something down the road doesn't mean you can carry the world on your axles....much less stop in case of avoidance or emergency.
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OMG, I cannot believe we share the same highways as some of the folks who put waaaay toooo much load behind or hanging off the rear frame rails. Just because a powertrain can pull something down the road doesn't mean you can carry the world on your axles....much less stop in case of avoidance or emergency.
you also did not read about the chassis being the w 24 (chassis option 3) with the extra leafs added to the leaf springs custom dual anti sway hitch and weight distribution and steering stabilizer my axles are 9000 lb front and 15500 rear.

that means my chassis is a class 5. without the mods done with the mods it falls under class 6 chassis
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you also did not read about the chassis being the w 24 (chassis option 3) with the extra leafs added to the leaf springs custom dual anti sway hitch and weight distribution and steering stabilizer my axles are 9000 lb front and 15500 rear.

that means my chassis is a class 5. without the mods done with the mods it falls under class 6 chassis

Can you post your latest weight scale by axle printout? That will tell the real story.
Only adding extra leaf springs is not a legal way to increase the axle ratings. You have tires, brakes, and axle construction to consider also. In fact the axle would need to be certified and labeled as a higher load rating to be completely legal.
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Table of US GVWR classifications
US truck class Duty classification Weight limit [1][7] Examples
Class 1 Light truck 0–6,000 pounds (0–2,722 kg) Chevrolet Colorado/GMC Canyon, Ford Ranger, Nissan Frontier, Toyota Tacoma, Honda Ridgeline FWD[8]
Class 2a Light truck 6,001–8,500 pounds (2,722–3,856 kg) Chevrolet Silverado/GMC Sierra 1500, Ford F-150, Nissan Titan, Ram 1500, Toyota Tundra, Dodge Dakota, Honda Ridgeline AWD[8][9][10]
Class 2b Light/Medium truck 8,501–10,000 pounds (3,856–4,536 kg) Chevrolet Silverado/GMC Sierra 2500, Ford F-250, Nissan Titan XD, Ram 2500[8][9][10]
Class 3 Medium truck 10,001–14,000 pounds (4,536–6,350 kg) Isuzu NPR,[11] Chevrolet Silverado/GMC Sierra 3500, Ford F-350, Ram 3500, Ford F-450
Class 4 Medium truck 14,001–16,000 pounds (6,351–7,257 kg) Isuzu NPR-HD,[11] Chevrolet Silverado/GMC Sierra 4500, Ford F-450 Chassis Cab, Ram 4500[8]
Class 5 Medium truck 16,001–19,500 pounds (7,258–8,845 kg) Isuzu NRR,[11] Chevrolet Silverado/GMC Sierra 5500, Ford F-550, Ram 5500, Peterbilt 325, International TerraStar [12]
Class 6 Medium truck 19,501–26,000 pounds (8,846–11,793 kg) Chevrolet Kodiak C6500, Ford F-650, Peterbilt 330, International Durastar [13]
Class 7 Heavy truck 26,001–33,000 pounds (11,794–14,969 kg) Autocar ACMD, GMC C7500, Peterbilt 220 & 337, Ford F-750 [14]
Class 8 Heavy truck 33,001 pounds (14,969 kg) + Autocar ACX, Autocar DC, International WorkStar, Freightliner Cascadia, Kenworth T600, Kenworth T660, Kenworth T680, Orange EV T-Series Electric, Peterbilt 579, Peterbilt 389[15] - Semi-trailer trucks fall into this category


Axle GAWR (Max) Manufacturer
Dana 30 2,770 lbs Dana Holding Corporation
Dana 35 2,770 lbs Dana Holding Corporation
Dana 44 3,500 lbs Dana Holding Corporation
Dana 50 5,000 lbs Dana Holding Corporation
Dana 60 6,500 lbs Dana Holding Corporation
Dana S 60 7,000 lbs Dana Holding Corporation
Dana 70 10,000 lbs Dana Holding Corporation
Dana 80 12,000 lbs Dana Holding Corporation
Dana S 110 14,706 lbs Dana Holding Corporation
Dana S 130 16,000 lbs Dana Holding Corporation
Ford 9-inch axle 3,600 lbs Ford Motor Company
Ford 8.8 axle 3,800 lbs Visteon
Sterling 10.5 axle 9,750 lbs Visteon
10.5" Corporate 14 Bolt Differential 8,600 lbs American Axle
11.5 AAM 10,000 lbs American Axle
10.5 AAM 9,000 lbs American Axle
Saginaw 9.5-inch axle 6,000 lbs American Axle

What are the Different Hitch Classes?
Class I

Class I hitches are weight carrying (WC) hitches rated up to 2000 lbs. gross trailer weight (GTW) with a maximum trailer tongue weight (TW) of 200 lbs.
A Class I hitch usually has a 1-1/4" square receiver opening.
A higher class drawbar does not increase the towing capacity of the hitch.
Class I hitches usually attach to the bumper, truck pan or vehicle frame.
Class II

Class II hitches are weight carrying (WC) hitches rated up to 3500 lbs. gross trailer weight (GTW) with a maximum trailer tongue weight (TW) of 300 lbs.
A Class II hitch usually has a 1-1/4" square receiver opening.
A higher class drawbar does not increase the towing capacity of the hitch.
Class II hitches usually attach to the bumper or vehicle frame.
Class III

Class III hitches are weight carrying (WC) and also are weight distributing (WD) depending on the vehicle and hitch specifications.
Not all Class III hitches are rated to be both. See the specific hitch for that information.
Class III hitches used as weight carrying are rated up to 6000 lbs. gross trailer weight (GTW) with a maximum trailer tongue weight (TW) of 600 lbs.
Class III hitches used for weight distributing are rated up to 10,000 lbs. gross trailer weight (GTW) with a maximum trailer tongue weight (TW) of 1000 lbs.
A Class III hitch usually has a 2" square receiver opening.
A higher class drawbar does not increase the towing capacity of the hitch. To use this class of hitch for weight distribution requires a weight distribution system.
Class III hitches attach to the vehicle frame only.
Class IV

Class IV hitches are weight carrying (WC) and weight distributing (WD) hitches depending on the vehicle and hitch specifications.
Not all Class IV hitches are rated to be both. See the specific hitch for that information.
Class IV hitches used as weight carrying are rated up to 10,000 lbs. gross trailer weight (GTW) with a maximum trailer tongue weight (TW) of 1000 lbs.
Class IV hitches used for weight distributing are rated up to 14,000 lbs. gross trailer weight (GTW) with a maximum trailer tongue weight (TW) of 1400 lbs.
A Class IV hitch usually has a 2" square receiver opening.
A higher class drawbar does not increase the towing capacity of the hitch. To use this class of hitch for weight distribution requires a weight distribution system.
Class IV hitches attach to the vehicle frame only.
Class V

Class V hitches are weight carrying (WC) and weight distributing (WD) hitches depending on the vehicle and hitch specifications.
Class V hitches used as weight carrying are rated up to 12,000 lbs. gross trailer weight (GTW) with a maximum trailer tongue weight (TW) of 1200 lbs.
Class V hitches used for weight distributing are rated up to 17,000 lbs. gross trailer weight (GTW) with a maximum trailer tongue weight (TW) of 1700 lbs.
Your ball mount and hitch ball need to both be rated for Class V to safely tow these weight loads. To use this class of hitch for weight distribution requires a weight distribution system.
A Class V hitch has a 2-1/2" square receiver opening.
Class V hitches attach to the vehicle frame only.
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Ken, if you have a jeep that can be towed 4 wheels down, you can most assuredly towe on a dolly.

The owners manual for the Wrangler specifically states that towing on a dolly is not allowed - you either tow it 4-down or 0-down. The transfer case does not like having one axle spinning and one stationary - your Liberty uses a different transfer case and may be able run with only one axle spinning, but the Wrangler can not...
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