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Old 04-08-2015, 07:42 AM   #99
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Back to the OP's original question.

The quality you want can be had, but most won't pay for it. Testing in quality, which is what new MH owner do, is cheaper for the manufacturer. It has become the business model of software for sure and people put up with it as the norm. At the lower end of the food chain you can be sure that manufacturers care less about quality than quantity. Even at the higher end where they do, things don't always work as planned.

Unfortunately, $400k doesn't buy what it used to. Process quality is different than product quality and motor home manufacturers likely don't even have people like that on staff. Which is why I buy used. By the time I get a MH manufacturing defects have been corrected and I'm down to normal wear and tear items.

Why do you have two satellite disc?? His & hers ?? Looked like one on top and one on the ground ?

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Back to the OP's original question.

The quality you want can be had, but most won't pay for it. Testing in quality, which is what new MH owner do, is cheaper for the manufacturer. It has become the business model of software for sure and people put up with it as the norm. At the lower end of the food chain you can be sure that manufacturers care less about quality than quantity. Even at the higher end where they do, things don't always work as planned.

Unfortunately, $400k doesn't buy what it used to. Process quality is different than product quality and motor home manufacturers likely don't even have people like that on staff. Which is why I buy used. By the time I get a MH manufacturing defects have been corrected and I'm down to normal wear and tear items.
Big difference between poor quality and poor workmanship.
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Old 04-08-2015, 08:31 AM   #101
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Big difference between poor quality and poor workmanship.
It all comes down to trying to take the cheap route because the good stuff is priced higher than it's worth in somebody's opinion. Does not matter whether it is labor or materials.
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It all comes down to trying to take the cheap route because the good stuff is priced higher than it's worth in somebody's opinion. Does not matter whether it is labor or materials.
Regardless of quality in materials, there's no excuse for sloppy workmanship. The price of something should have nothing to do with being installed properly.
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Why do you have two satellite disc?? His & hers ?? Looked like one on top and one on the ground ?

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I don't understand what you are referring to. We only have one.
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lets try this for a moment... for get the price...
how bout just putting the right things on them..

why would they continue to install "new shocks" that are valved wrong???

it's like when ford did the Super duty chassis in around 2000... the springs were so wrong you couldn't hardly drive the things,,

and yes I bought one with the , go home and load it up it'll smooth right out...

then I found out they sent me out with only 50 psi in the tires
with the tires at correct pressure you couldn't even play the CD player

and yes I got rid of as soon as the work horse chassis showed up..
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Why do you have two satellite disc?? His & hers ?? Looked like one on top and one on the ground ?

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Where did this come from?

Nothing in his post referred to any satellite dish needless to say TWO of them.



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Regardless of quality in materials, there's no excuse for sloppy workmanship. The price of something should have nothing to do with being installed properly.
I agree. However, two things are at work. One, a good craftsman doesn't usually work work with poor quality material. Two, a good work and craft ethic requires a similarly motivated management team........
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who's zoomin who here.... with a 200k price tag. that should be enough for the chassis to be right....


like I said earlier... I build houses..if the slab is bad.... guess what

I understand quality of craftmanship,. I'm a streetrodder, and hot boater..

I expect to find nests of wiring , miter joints off... cabinets hung crooked.

horrible fit and finish..but for what I paid.. got the best I could find...

I could go on and on about that.. we went for a test ride in one of the competitors to the excursion....told the salesman...turn around...

being a carpenter...I notice stuff...
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I agree. However, two things are at work. One, a good craftsman doesn't usually work work with poor quality material. Two, a good work and craft ethic requires a similarly motivated management team........
Agreed. The blame for poor anything goes back to bad management.
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guess what I'm try'n to say is... there are two separate inities here
chassis builder, and coach builder...

if they all have the same chassis..they should all perform as one would expect...

if a guy can go out and fix the problem with a few craftmen wrenches
how many years go by with the same problem

I will say this in fords defense , the 2015 tribute I bought rode really nice and needed nothing right out of the box....
and if the wheels wouldn't have tried to fall off we'd stil have it., and I'd have another 60k in my pocket...

I just figured stepping up 60k, I would get , more power, and a better ride.
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guess I didn't pay enough for Zip ties.
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On a lesser scale it was the same way when I bought my new Harley,Within a year I had a box full of perfectly good parts.I am sure Harley makes far more on parts then it does on bikes.
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Our coach is now 12-13 years old (very early 03 model). Spartan MMGT (Winnebago-modified) chassis. It has run 95k miles, and I have never messed with the chassis, added anything, or even changed shocks. Never had any complaints about handling or ride. We did extensive research over a period of a few years to narrow our search to a few coach mfgers, then bought at the highest level we could manage. We did have a short punch list when we bought it, but some of those items were somewhat to be expected as it had been a dealer show coach for almost a year. I do expect a new vehicle to work/perform as expected on delivery, but also know that things can sometimes go bad ...but that should definately be the minority.
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