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Old 04-08-2015, 10:10 AM   #113
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Back in 2003 I did the very same thing when purchasing the 2002 Monaco Windsor on the Roadmaster Semi-Monocoque Chassis.

I have done nothing to the chassis except install new shocks after 45,000 miles as the original Bilsteins were shot. I put Koni's on and now have 75,000 miles and it still rides like a dream.

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Old 04-08-2015, 10:14 AM   #114
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Our coach is now 12-13 years old (very early 03 model). Spartan MMGT (Winnebago-modified) chassis. It has run 95k miles, and I have never messed with the chassis, added anything, or even changed shocks. Never had any complaints about handling or ride. We did extensive research over a period of a few years to narrow our search to a few coach mfgers, then bought at the highest level we could manage. We did have a short punch list when we bought it, but some of those items were somewhat to be expected as it had been a dealer show coach for almost a year. I do expect a new vehicle to work/perform as expected on delivery, but also know that things can sometimes go bad ...but that should definately be the minority.
I think shoddy workmanship is something that has happened in recent years. I bought a new Coachman in 1994. Never had a punch list and was never in for any repairs of any kind. Many trouble free miles. Rode and handled just fine.
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Old 04-08-2015, 11:33 AM   #115
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who's zoomin who here.... with a 200k price tag. that should be enough for the chassis to be right....


like I said earlier... I build houses..if the slab is bad.... guess what

I understand quality of craftmanship,. I'm a streetrodder, and hot boater..

I expect to find nests of wiring , miter joints off... cabinets hung crooked.

horrible fit and finish..but for what I paid.. got the best I could find...

I could go on and on about that.. we went for a test ride in one of the competitors to the excursion....told the salesman...turn around...

being a carpenter...I notice stuff...
I'm not dinging another mans choice.

However, in the big scheme of thing $200k MSRP is entry level. As was explained to me $300-$400k for a used Prevost is entry level. I like tight cabinetry, too. Solid Cherry, Oak or Maple doesn't show up until higher up the food chain. My brothers new C class Ford chassis came with an O2 sensor failed.

Further, we trying to build a house. I doesn't seem like it should cost $300k for a nice home, unfortunately it does. Oh, you can buy them cheaper, but, you don't get solid wood cabinets or 10' ceilings, I wonder how much it would cost if I had someone check the square of each cut the framer makes? Or insist that my rooms are square to the 32nd of an inch. Or the doors don't stick when it gets humid? As I mentioned earlier, there are folks who think because an BMW air cooled motorcycle engine failed after being run wide open for twenty minutes when it had a 120,000 miles on it, it was poorly built with substandard parts.

Remember, anything made in the USA has a lot of overhead that has nothing to do with the quality of the product. We have friends protecting us, EPA, OSHA, Equal rights...ad infinitum. All costing money before a single screw is turned. There was a time when $70 of every $100 spent on a Cessna aircraft was spent on liability insurance for the manufacturer. Ok, rant off.

My suggestion, should you want it, next time you have $200k to spend look at a Intrigue or a Dynasty or a Nimbus or an Essex. They are not perfect, however, they are well built and durable. In my mind, products worth the money.

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I think there are two different sets of expectations here. First, if I spend $100k plus for a new coach I expect everything to work. There shouldn't be wires hooked up reversed, vent lines should not be punched, fluids should not be leaking, basement door gaskets should not be hanging off. That's stuff that even the most cursory quality inspection should have caught at the mfg or dealer and fixed.

Stuff like ride quality is a bit different. If the mfg chooses to go with lower end components (tires, shocks and springs), then yes you get what you pay for. But if the tires are defective or a shock doesn't work then again that's something that probably should have been caught prior to sale, but I can understand why it might get missed.

By the end of next week I'll have taken my coach in for fixes 5 times since getting it in January. All but one of those trips for warranty work, the 5 th one to get a wheel alignment because I don't think it's set up right and apparently the dealer doesn't do alignments. I've never had a new car that I've had to take back 5 times in the first 3 months I owned it.

And this is all for relatively minor stuff.
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I'm not dinging another mans choice.

However, in the big scheme of thing $200k MSRP is entry level. As was explained to me $300-$400k for a used Prevost is entry level. I like tight cabinetry, too. Solid Cherry, Oak or Maple doesn't show up until higher up the food chain. My brothers new C class Ford chassis came with an O2 sensor failed.

Further, we trying to build a house. I doesn't seem like it should cost $300k for a nice home, unfortunately it does. Oh, you can buy them cheaper, but, you don't get solid wood cabinets or 10' ceilings, I wonder how much it would cost if I had someone check the square of each cut the framer makes? Or insist that my rooms are square to the 32nd of an inch. Or the doors don't stick when it gets humid? As I mentioned earlier, there are folks who think because an BMW air cooled motorcycle engine failed after being run wide open for twenty minutes when it had a 120,000 miles on it, it was poorly built with substandard parts.

Remember, anything made in the USA has a lot of overhead that has nothing to do with the quality of the product. We have friends protecting us, EPA, OSHA, Equal rights...ad infinitum. All costing money before a single screw is turned. There was a time when $70 of every $100 spent on a Cessna aircraft was spent on liability insurance for the manufacturer. Ok, rant off.

My suggestion, should you want it, next time you have $200k to spend look at a Intrigue or a Dynasty or a Nimbus or an Essex. They are not perfect, however, they are well built and durable. In my mind, products worth the money.

you keep going to the HEY-LAM I spent 400k.....

i'm say'n I bought the only thing out there and it is on the same chassis... everyone has the same problems over and over

they didn't say you did spend enough for things to work


they said they guaranteed every thing to work for one year...
and the chassis for longer...
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If made by Toyota or Honda they would
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Old 04-08-2015, 01:17 PM   #119
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I'm not dinging another mans choice.


there is no other choice... that's the problem

ford for gas
freightliner for diesel
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once again this is about buy'n a "NEW" this video shows why I don't like to buy used....

I don't dis like cats ..but I don't want a motorhome that was a cats house...

I don't like cats climbing on my counters...or all the cat hair everywhere....


ahhhhh... no thanks

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you keep going to the HEY-LAM I spent 400k.....
I am not asking anyone to care what I spent. I am pointing out what you spent doesn't make you happy.

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i'm say'n I bought the only thing out there and it is on the same chassis... everyone has the same problems over and over
I don't understand, there are many choices....unless you want $400k quality for $200k as new.

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they didn't say you did spend enough for things to work
They never do. I always take marketing claims with skepticism.

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they said they guaranteed every thing to work for one year...
and the chassis for longer...
Maybe its the dealer?

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there is no other choice... that's the problem

ford for gas
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Do you mean in an Excursion?
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I don't understand what you are referring to. We only have one.

It looked like a round one along side the coach on the ground and a traveler on top ? I go back & look at the picture. Maybe something else on the ground ?

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I don't understand what you are referring to. We only have one.

That picture of the Coach in question might of be someone else coach. I thought it was you're. Sorry. The picture I saw shows something along side of the coach under the LF slide that looks like a satellite and it has traveler on top. ?

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Coma I think u just set a record for most quotes in one post
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Coma I think u just set a record for most quotes in one post
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That picture of the Coach in question might of be someone else coach. I thought it was you're. Sorry. The picture I saw shows something along side of the coach under the LF slide that looks like a satellite and it has traveler on top. ?

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